I'm pretty fat. Looking for a good all-around workout.

kingfish said:
It means you're being lied to there's a lot more involved than just calories in and out but those who haven't taken the time to research and understand it will just tell you that and when you come at them with your own observations that are actually happening to you they'll just think you are wrong.

Truth is those burgers will spike your blood sugar levels causing a huge release of insulin (exponential response especially if you're insulin resistant) in the blood making you feel lethargic and tired. Whereas if you ate the same calorie amount of foods that had a lower effect on the blood sugar such as higher fat and proteins you wouldn't have the spike and you'll feel good.

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Anyway it's pretty complex stuff which is why everyone dumbs it down to calories even if they're nearly irrelevant. If you're interested I suggest reading Good Calories, Bad Calories and it goes into it all in depth but it's a very heavy read.
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You're making it complex. Although what you're saying is true, they are just accessory points. "Dumbing it down" to extremes to make points as FrugalCopywrite has done above makes it easier to follow and puts emphasis on the fact that it all comes down to calories in - calories out when losing weight.

To make a comparison, it's like FrugalCopywrite is telling those who want to rank higher to 'just build links', while you are preaching on page, link diversity, proper anchor text, etc.

To lose weight period it's calories in - calories out.

To lose weight + _______ (insert: have more energy, get lean, etc.) it's calories in - calories out +.
 


Get off your fat arse watching porn all day and try moving around. If your shoving shit in your mouth 24/7 then sitting on a chair of course your going to get fat as your burning 0 calories, well maybe the odd one now and then through the WF boob wanks.

That's the standard WF reply done, now some helpful opinion..

Try drinking just water, cutting carbs and doing cardio.. walking, running, swimming, cycling, cross trainer the more the better, push yourself until you can go no further then keep going.

Don't eat lots of sugar: cola, beer, alcohol, etc are bad if your trying to lose fast.
No food high in saturates.
Cut down on red meat and go with fish, chicken, turkey..
Cut down on bread, pasta, crisps, chips, anything fried, deep fat fried, etc

Everyone going on about weights are the obvious internet pimps that like their muscles, hoes, fast cars & monieeeezzzzz. Just do cardio to lose fat then when your at a more acceptable BMI you can move onto weights. Being healthy doesn't mean having muscles the size of your head.

Oh yeh got to finish with the standard tl;dr so I look about as cool as the fire in the logo.
 
Also you could join up @ planet fitness. I think most of them (i know mine does) let you schedule sessions with their personal trainer free and they can help you out with shit.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
How do you figure? When people stop eating grains and carbs in general, they have to replace it with something. What is that they replace it with? Some protein, but usually fat.

Carbs = 4 cals per gram
Fat = 9 cals per gram

Sure, fat provides more satiety, but by the time people feel they are full, they have usually overeaten anyways.

All in all - find maintenance calories and eat less than that (try to get 1g protein per pound of lean body mass, get at least 50g of fat per day, and fill the rest of your calories with whatever you want).

Until you reach lower bodyfat numbers (10%-12% -> visible abs) nothing else really matters...
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Yep. That sounds about right. They also just don't need to eat as much. Get some protein and go easy on the beans/rice until you adjust to it. A bag (the milk carton size) of goldfish is like 800 calories and it's easy as fuck to eat in one sitting. Or, you could eat 6ish chicken breasts (try doing that in one sitting). Eating more fat isn't nearly as bad for the body as sugar/refined carbs is.
 
I burn 1700 calories when I ride my mountain bike 20 miles in an hour (road bike is more efficient, so less calories burned).

Running is shit for burning calories in comparison.
 
P90X ... I did the full 90 days lost about 25 lbs got below my high school weight

At the same time got in fantastic shape. Used to have before after pics up but don't want you guys ripping them for use on flogs/farticles hahaha.

I really was in the best shape of my life, playing basketball I was a monster. Infinite energy and the cloudiness in my head went away, was able to focus on biz and life.

Only problem is once I was done I couldnt even do the workouts a few times a week and let myself slide (but still not as bad as I was before).

Getting back in shape again and realized really all you need to do is eat healthier and do resistance training 2 or 3 times a week, and you can get similar results, just takes much longer.
 
kingfish said:
It means you're being lied to there's a lot more involved than just calories in and out but those who haven't taken the time to research and understand it will just tell you that and when you come at them with your own observations that are actually happening to you they'll just think you are wrong.

Truth is those burgers will spike your blood sugar levels causing a huge release of insulin (exponential response especially if you're insulin resistant) in the blood making you feel lethargic and tired. Whereas if you ate the same calorie amount of foods that had a lower effect on the blood sugar such as higher fat and proteins you wouldn't have the spike and you'll feel good.

Also everyone has a different metabolism but it is heavily influenced by the amount of refined carbohydrates in your body which is why they all say you need so many. Normal people (those who typically will remain a stable weight without much monitoring) will burn a ton more calories if given more because their genes cause them to work this way however many fat people will not burn more calories if given more as their genes don't make their fat cells respond to insulin in the same way. The typical BMR calculations are really based on a pretty flawed formula and it's built from observed cases of normal type people consuming a highly refined carbohydrate diet like the USDA suggests. A diet that's not really healthy.

Anyway it's pretty complex stuff which is why everyone dumbs it down to calories even if they're nearly irrelevant. If you're interested I suggest reading Good Calories, Bad Calories and it goes into it all in depth but it's a very heavy read.
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Gary Taubes? GTFO....

Calories nearly irrelevant?

You seriously think someone who has a significant amount of bodyfat (>10-12%) has to really worry about insulin? GI?

Have you ever noticed that all these people (the authors - Tim Ferriss, Gary Taubes, etc) are just journalists and writers, really know nothing about nutrition and look like crap? They have probably never been lean in their life...

These guys are worse than the Acai advertisements people buy into.

"Being fat is not your fault, its all your genes, you don't need exercise or to cut down on the amount of food you eat to lose fat, just follow these three little tips and you will have a six pack in no time etc. Just buy my book and i'll show you how..."

These kind of statements sound familiar...

Truth of the matter is, most people are 1) Retarded when it comes to nutrition 2) Can't keep their mouth shut and stop eating and 3) Looking for the easy way out.
 
dooogen said:
1 muscle a day, 4 sets of 4 different exercises.
25 minutes cardio after that.

I'm down 31 pounds since January without changing my diet.
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This is the way to do it :). Put on serious muscle from a routine similar to this.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
Gary Taubes? GTFO....

Calories nearly irrelevant?

You seriously think someone who has a significant amount of bodyfat (>10-12%) has to really worry about insulin? GI?

Have you ever noticed that all these people (the authors - Tim Ferriss, Gary Taubes, etc) are just journalists and writers, really know nothing about nutrition and look like crap? They have probably never been lean in their life...

These guys are worse than the Acai advertisements people buy into.

"Being fat is not your fault, its all your genes, you don't need exercise or to cut down on the amount of food you eat to lose fat, just follow these three little tips and you will have a six pack in no time etc. Just buy my book and i'll show you how..."

These kind of statements sound familiar...

Truth of the matter is, most people are 1) Retarded when it comes to nutrition 2) Can't keep their mouth shut and stop eating and 3) Looking for the easy way out.
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You sir, are an idiot.

Ferriss has done his own experiments, completely documented them, had medical supervision while doing so and is in great shape compared to most people.

You want to preach, but truth is, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
 
jamesc32 said:
You sir, are an idiot.

Ferriss has done his own experiments, completely documented them, had medical supervision while doing so and is in great shape compared to most people.

You want to preach, but truth is, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
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Maybe if you do a little research and focus your energy on reading the work of people who actually have a clue what they are talking about...

(For example, Alan Aragon, Lyle Mcdonald, people who actually train athletes and people who look good. etc...) Since Ferriss works only four hours per week and works out even less, he should have a ton of time to start training athletes and bodybuilders to defy human physiology on a daily basis.

You would see that you are the one who has no idea.

Ferriss for example...

From Geek to Freak: How I Gained 34 lbs. of Muscle in 4 Weeks

34 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. He must know what he is talking about, right?

Or maybe not.

Considering that even if a newbie lifter took massive amounts of steroids, ate a perfect diet, and their training was on point, they would have a huge amount of trouble gaining even half that muscle mass. A pound of muscle per day is a whole lot...

BUT WAIT, IT GETS BETTER - He only did it with FOUR HOURS OF GYM TIME!

Get real.

Tim Ferriss = 4 Hour Fail...
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People who know what they are talking about help their clients look like this...(Martin Berkhan - Leangains Client)
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Edit: ^ That is not Martin, that is one of his clients. The way I worded the caption may have made it seem otherwise.
 
FrugalCopywrite said:
Maybe if you do a little research and focus your energy on reading the work of people who actually have a clue what they are talking about...

(For example, Alan Aragon, Lyle Mcdonald, people who actually train athletes and people who look good. etc...) Since Ferriss works only four hours per week and works out even less, he should have a ton of time to start training athletes and bodybuilders to defy human physiology on a daily basis.

You would see that you are the one who has no idea.

Ferriss for example...

From Geek to Freak: How I Gained 34 lbs. of Muscle in 4 Weeks

34 lbs of muscle in 4 weeks. He must know what he is talking about, right?

Or maybe not.

Considering that even if a newbie lifter took massive amounts of steroids, ate a perfect diet, and their training was on point, they would have a huge amount of trouble gaining even half that muscle mass. A pound of muscle per day is a whole lot...

BUT WAIT, IT GETS BETTER - He only did it with FOUR HOURS OF GYM TIME!

Get real.

Tim Ferriss = 4 Hour Fail...
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People who know what they are talking about help their clients look like this...(Martin Berkhan - Leangains Client)
Intermittent+Fasting+Leangains+Gary+After.jpg


Edit: ^ That is not Martin, that is one of his clients. The way I worded the caption may have made it seem otherwise.
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You didn't prove a point at all. You're trying to compare 2 completely different end goals, and you didn't make any points as to why Tim doing what he did was invalid. In fact it wasn't invalid at all, but well documented.

Once again. You sir, are an idiot.
 
jamesc32 said:
You didn't prove a point at all. You're trying to compare 2 completely different end goals, and you didn't make any points as to why Tim doing what he did was invalid. In fact it wasn't invalid at all, but well documented.

Once again. You sir, are an idiot.
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Well, what Tim did was starve himself for a stupid tango contest, probably took his before stats and images carb depleted, worked out a bit, carb loaded, got a tan, shaved his chest and took his after pictures pumped up.

Documentation? Lets see some before and after Dexa scans. They would probably have to clean the doctors gizz of the printouts, though, seeing as they would probably blow their loads when someone gained 34 lbs of muscle in a month...

If you think 34 lbs of muscle and 3 lbs of fat loss in a month is reasonable (even on steroids), then all I have to say is...

You sir, are an idiot...
 
I'm skinny as fuck as it is and never worried about what I ate, although I still thought about my health. Nevertheless, I am now trying to follow the 'anticancer' diet from the book Anticancer. When the statistics say 1 in 2 will get cancer by age 85, it's a very real threat.

Pretty much all I eat on a daily basis is:

- wholemeal toast
- matcha green tea. it's a powder made from grinding fresh tea leaves into oblivion, studies indicate 1 cup of matcha green tea is equivalent to 10 cups of loose leaf green tea, probably because you're actually ingesting the leaves when you drink it and not just the liquid.
- toasted wholemeal sandwich with sliced turkey, beetroot, tomato and a small amount of cheese.
- matcha green tea
- maybe some fruit
- matcha green tea
- dinner is pasta or steak & vegies or rice with chicken or casserole etc
- matcha green tea
- snack, walnuts or macadamias, rice crackers...
- matcha green tea

I never add sugar to anything, never eat sugary foods, never add butter to bread, never eat fried foods, never eat soft drinks, never have mixed alcoholic drinks. Studies of Japanese folks that live to 100+ years of age with no serious illness, their wisdom is to only eat until you're 80% full and eat colourful fruit and vegies... and they only have about 1200 calories a day on average. A good sign that caloric restriction works?

fuck this bodybuilding shit, I did it for 2 years (tried i should say), gained about 10kg, lost it all again and don't plan on going back to it... it's so ridiculous stuffing your face with thousands of calories every day I just couldn't bring myself to do it. I could bench 15kg over my bodyweight and I had only gained about 5kg of muscle. I'll continue lifting as exercise but not for building mass. What's the point? attract a woman? if you can't do it without muscles you're fucked anyway... what other reason is there? impress other men? intimidate other men? when you boil it down that's all it's about. OP just lose the weight and be happy, don't need to worry about the bodybuilding. 2 of my mates have lost 15-20kg each over a few months just by watching what they eat and running, that's all there is to it.
 
dooogen said:
1 muscle a day, 4 sets of 4 different exercises.
25 minutes cardio after that.

I'm down 31 pounds since January without changing my diet.
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How do you handle compound/isolation movements on this program. Alternate upper/lower body so like chest/thighs/back/hams/shoulders/calves? Always wondered how to avoid training same body parts, at least supplementary ones, on back to back days on a schedule like this.

Also, for the caloric method/ice cream debate, you can fuel yourself on anything as long as the caloric ratios are there. Case in point, I spent 6 weeks in Spain existing on full fat yogurt, ben and jerrys, tapas (greasy bar food) and guiness stout. Came home with slightly less than 5% bodyfat. Now I watch everything I eat and struggle not to put on weight. The difference? 6-10 hours a day hiking and high intensity rockclimbing versus 10-15 hour days at a computer.

Argue all you want, diet plus consistent exercise is the quickest route to body transformation. Nobody wants to admit that though, because both are hard work.
 
Have you tried walking? Seriously, you don't need workout P69XXX Elite Carb blaster 90000. Walking, running, swimming, swinging a sledge hammer. If you are just trying to lose weight, tighten up your diet and get off the couch. Don't over complicate it.
 
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