My Mom Won't Vote for Ron Paul because...

it fucking blows my mind that abortion is the most salient issue for a significant segment of the voting population in this country.

Abortion is never going to be outlawed. Why don't these Christian nutjobs give it up.
 


You're committing the Straw Man fallacy by suggesting there is a single entity called Christianity, with a single set of beliefs, and then proceeding to attack it. That's total nonsense. When you say Christian teachings, which teachings do you mean, exactly?

For example:

1. Catholics believe the Pope is God's representative on earth, and will take his interpretation of the bible over the words written in it.
2. Fundamentalists believe in the literal word of the Bible above all else
3. Eastern Orthodox follow a group of patriarchs who they believe to be equivalent to the apostles.

And that's just 3 of however many dozen Churches there are. All of those Church members would describe themselves as Christian, all have slightly different beliefs. Some believe in evolution, some don't. The Church of England, for example, has a made a public statement accepting evolution, and saying that ID shouldn't be taught as science.

Even if you describe Christians as "people who follow the Bible", which Bible? It was originally written in ancient Hebrew, Greek and Aramaic, and has been interpreted, translated and adapted for modern use into hundreds of different versions.

Please tell me what version of Christianity doesn't believe that God created everything?
 
Go start a new thread you fucktwit. This thread is about Ron Paul's foreign policy, not definitions of Christianity.

Sorry, of course I'll do whatever you want. And yes it would be a great idea for Iran to have nukes to even things out. You should definitely become the Secretary of State as you could use your genius logic to bring about world peace. What a fucktard!
 
So she would vote for Obama over Paul?


Has Israel sent a single soldier to help in Iraq or Afghanistan?

I hear even Japan, which has no army, has sent people to serve in some roles in these wars.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-National_Force_–_Iraq

Look at some of the places on that list (Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Tonga), but no Israel.



If you believe that the bible is really true then why would you stray from even one word of it? How do you choose what bits of the bible are truth or just made up? Doesn't that make a mockery of organised religion if everyone can just pick and choose what is the absolute truth or not?

I tell you one thing, if I ABSOLUTELY believed that there was someone up there who was judging what I do every day and he has given me a book of rules that will guarantee my ETERNAL salvation then you'd be damn sure I would obey EVERY SINGLE RULE no matter what. Who are you to decide what rules are relevant or not?

The Bible is a collection of various books and Christ didn't write any of them; and he supposedly said something like "you have been told an eye for eye, but I tell you to love your enemies..."

So if the guy who puts the "Christ" in "Christian" is saying to go against old testament writings, then of course some of his followers are going to do the same.

Various people could take quotes from your posts here and insert them into books. Then in the future those books and other books with more radical writings that you might disagree with could be combined, and the Nickster religion might arise out of this.
 
And yes it would be a great idea for Iran to have nukes to even things out. You should definitely become the Secretary of State as you could use your genius logic to bring about world peace. What a fucktard!

You give me one example of two nuclear armed powers going to war with each other, and I'll give you 100 examples of one nuclear armed power attacking a non-nuclear power. The only thing that will bring stability to the middle east is a balance of power. You really expect one group of people to just lay down and take it in the ass forever? Now who is the one being illogical?
 
Abortion is never going to be outlawed. Why don't these Christian nutjobs give it up.
When I was a senior in high school, my religion teacher (went to a catholic school) told me that the most important issue surrounding the 08' election was abortion. Those extremists are insane.
 
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Ask her if its worth the chance of getting her son drafted and losing him to a war for Israel, to vote for Romney.

That's probably the best piece of advice, since I'd qualify for the draft and my brother will in 3 years (within Romney's term). Plus my dad thought a Bush draft was going to happen.
 
You give me one example of two nuclear armed powers going to war with each other, and I'll give you 100 examples of one nuclear armed power attacking a non-nuclear power. The only thing that will bring stability to the middle east is a balance of power. You really expect one group of people to just lay down and take it in the ass forever? Now who is the one being illogical?

How about ending the war on terror by giving Al Qaeda a nuke?
 
How about mentioning that Iran is working on making one bomb, Israel has well over 200 nukes. Some sources says as many as 400.. With 400 nukes I am pretty sure they don't need our fucking help to fight Iran and their very first prototype bomb. We do not need to defend Israel from Iran, they have the larget and most well equipped military force in the region.

Remind her of the 6 day war in 1967 when Israel steamrolled though the Gaza strip and the West bank.
 
How about ending the war on terror by giving Al Qaeda a nuke?

Al-Qaeda is not a nation state you dumb shit, and don't compare Iran to Al-Qaeda because it makes you look dumber than you already are. Iran has a legitimate need to protect themselves from Israel and the United States. Or have you forgotten who the aggressors are?
 
Al-Qaeda is not a nation state you dumb shit, and don't compare Iran to Al-Qaeda because it makes you look dumber than you already are. Iran has a legitimate need to protect themselves from Israel and the United States. Or have you forgotten who the aggressors are?

Protect themselves from Israel and United States? Go ahead, I have taken the bait. When has Israel threatened Iran (prior to this nuclear issue)?
 
Protect themselves from Israel and United States? Go ahead, I have taken the bait. When has Israel threatened Iran (prior to this nuclear issue)?

I'll give you a hint - one side has attacked the countries on either border, amassed troops on their borders, and threatened war, and the other hasn't.
 
All shitting abt religion again!!

Accept it! Majority of population's intelligence is not high enough to live with the emptiness of concept that "God does not exist".

Imagine,what would happen to a kid,when he is told that Santa does not exist and he is not getting any fucking gift for next Xmas! It will be horrific right?

I do not buy any real politician can be "religious" in true sense of the word. They are just fucking imaginary ideologies sold to shit heads.
 
I'll give you a hint - one side has attacked the countries on either border, amassed troops on their borders, and threatened war, and the other hasn't.

What has that got to do with Iran? Iran is neither on the border with Israel, nor has Israel threatened war with it (prior to the nuclear issue).

Israel even supplied weapons to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, many years after the 6 day war.

Do you know anything about the region?

Iran has been threatening Israel for many years and has been one of the main funders of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Who is the aggressor against whom??
 
What has that got to do with Iran? Iran is neither on the border with Israel, nor has Israel threatened war with it (prior to the nuclear issue).

Israel even supplied weapons to Iran during the Iran-Iraq war, many years after the 6 day war.

Do you know anything about the region?

Iran has been threatening Israel for many years and has been one of the main funders of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Who is the aggressor against whom??

I believe you are having trouble with a very key point. We are Israel. Israel is us. You can not separate the two because they are the same. There is no difference in the foreign policy of the United States and Israel. When we threaten Iran, Israel is threatening Iran and vice-versa. Once you understand that, you'll understand how our aggression in the region is a destabilizing force and that Iran's desire to obtain nuclear weapons is to have a deterrent to prevent the US/Israel from attacking them.

Notice how North Korea was in the "Axis of Evil" until they developed nuclear weapons and now we don't fuck with them? Notice how Iraq DID NOT have nuclear weapons and we spent 10 years ass-raping that country? Now you see why a country would want nuclear weapons. To keep us from attacking. The last time Iran invaded a country was during the Persian Empire. WE are the aggressors. That may not make you comfortable, but it is the truth. Deal with it.
 
I believe you are having trouble with a very key point. We are Israel. Israel is us. You can not separate the two because they are the same. There is no difference in the foreign policy of the United States and Israel. When we threaten Iran, Israel is threatening Iran and vice-versa. Once you understand that, you'll understand how our aggression in the region is a destabilizing force and that Iran's desire to obtain nuclear weapons is to have a deterrent to prevent the US/Israel from attacking them.

Notice how North Korea was in the "Axis of Evil" until they developed nuclear weapons and now we don't fuck with them? Notice how Iraq DID NOT have nuclear weapons and we spent 10 years ass-raping that country? Now you see why a country would want nuclear weapons. To keep us from attacking. The last time Iran invaded a country was during the Persian Empire. WE are the aggressors. That may not make you comfortable, but it is the truth. Deal with it.
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