Atheists making a statement in the PA Capital

FYI, I'm an Athiest but this isn't the way to go about things. It just increases the division of understanding and co-operation between religious people and atheists. It doesn't help anyone and just makes atheists looks like assholes.

It doesn't matter how much you force the issue, the majority of people will not become atheist over night because of a billboard. I fully expect the US to catch up with other countries and become more atheist, but it will be a lengthy and gradual procress. Shit like this doesn't help though IMO.
 


lschmidt said:
The fact that billions of people believe in fairytale nonsense affects our every day lives. That's why some of us give a fuck?

How many people have died because of this wonderful thing called religion?

I'm not the type that argues with people over religion, gets up in your face, or tries to convince friends that my beliefs are right. In fact I've known tons of christians who do this though.

I don't see a problem with the billboard, just like I don't see a problem with pro-religion billboards.
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The kind of nanny state bullshit these hipster atheists like to espouse ends up affecting the rest of our lives too.
 
geomark said:
Sorry, that's wrong. Your tarrot card analogy is a distraction and is not what I am saying.

You can't read minds. Therefore you don't know what someone else knows.
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Your defense is the ability to read minds, so I'm not worried if you find my analogy to be distracting. It cuts to the heart of what you're saying.

I could say,

No one knows superman exists/doesn't exist.

And you could use your 'You can't read every mind, so someone might 'know' that superman exists' 'so you can't say you know superman doesn't exist'

When there's NOTHING to know, I don't need to read minds to know that no one knows. You don't need to read minds to know superman doesn't exist, and you sure as hell don't need to read minds to know that nothing can be known about something that is inherently unknowable at this time.

It's really simple, and you're far too attached to a poor stance.
 
geomark said:
I don't know if it is possible because I can't do it. Can other people do it? I can't know without being able to read their minds so I don't know.

*Belief* is that state of mind when you form opinions or draw conclusions about something based on incomplete data. By it's very nature it is a state of ignorance. It may be only mild ignorance if you have a lot of data (yet still incomplete data) or it may be profound ignorance based on nothing that is observed, tested or reasoned, simply whim.
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Did you seriously just answer my rhetorical question that I asked just to mock you? Are you seriously that easy to troll??
 
I used to think I was atheist, then I found the word agnostic - that'll do. Tip guys: Christians have got over the whole war mongering thing. If there is any religion to be worried about right now it's that Muslim, Sharia, Extremist bullshit they peddle.
 
But seriously, not trolling at all. Atheists mess up because they only accomplish things like removal of all Christian symbols and speech from the public sector by the use of Brute Force.

I am a christian. When I see humanism taught in school, I dont try to get it removed. I just keep an open mind and deal with it. When I see a mosque, I dont try to have it removed. When I see evolution taught in school. I just accept it and go along.

I dont understand the mindset atheists have of getting offended every time they see a cross or bible, so much so that they have to try to have all religious symbols moved from public life. It seems the ignorance is on the side of the atheists.

If you are so offended by something, why do you spend so much time dwelling on it?
 
zimok said:
Your defense is the ability to read minds, so I'm not worried if you find my analogy to be distracting. It cuts to the heart of what you're saying.

I could say,

No one knows superman exists/doesn't exist.

And you could use your 'You can't read every mind, so someone might 'know' that superman exists' 'so you can't say you know superman doesn't exist'

When there's NOTHING to know, I don't need to read minds to know that no one knows. You don't need to read minds to know superman doesn't exist, and you sure as hell don't need to read minds to know that nothing can be known about something that is inherently unknowable at this time.

It's really simple, and you're far too attached to a poor stance.
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I'm afraid you've fallen hard on that fallacy of trying making a logical argument for the nonexistence of something. There's only one way to do that which is to claim knowledge of the entire universe of possibilities. In very controlled laboratory cases you can sometimes do that. In real life not so much. And it's a much larger problem than just trying to know what other people know, which is also impossible (unless you can read minds).

Also, the analogies thing, not useful. Tarrot cards, superman - that stuff just adds noise. Given your reliance on the proof of non-existence fallacy and analogies it seems I'm trying to teach a pig to sing. So enough.
 
This is just good marketing.

It's like when PETA does something seemingly bat shit crazy that gets so much free press they add a few extra mill. in donations to their organization for doing literally nothing sometimes. Talking about it just helps them grow. It's pretty damn smart really.

I donate money to a different atheist organization that tosses up billboards like this, although I don't think they've had any this clever yet.
 
writtenstyle said:
But seriously, not trolling at all. Atheists mess up because they only accomplish things like removal of all Christian symbols and speech from the public sector by the use of Brute Force.

I am a christian. When I see humanism taught in school, I dont try to get it removed. I just keep an open mind and deal with it. When I see a mosque, I dont try to have it removed. When I see evolution taught in school. I just accept it and go along.

I dont understand the mindset atheists have of getting offended every time they see a cross or bible, so much so that they have to try to have all religious symbols moved from public life. It seems the ignorance is on the side of the atheists.

If you are so offended by something, why do you spend so much time dwelling on it?
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It's things like that that make me wonder whether a lot of atheists are mentally ill.
 
geomark said:
I'm afraid you've fallen hard on that fallacy of trying making a logical argument for the nonexistence of something. There's only one way to do that which is to claim knowledge of the entire universe of possibilities. In very controlled laboratory cases you can sometimes do that. In real life not so much. And it's a much larger problem than just trying to know what other people know, which is also impossible (unless you can read minds).

Also, the analogies thing, not useful. Tarrot cards, superman - that stuff just adds noise. Given your reliance on the proof of non-existence fallacy and analogies it seems I'm trying to teach a pig to sing. So enough.
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Teaching a pig to sing must be hard, but we'll get you singing once you realize that you just proved my point.

You said....
There's only one way to do that which is to claim knowledge of the entire universe of possibilities. ...... which is also impossible (unless you can read minds).
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So, we went full circle to my first post which was...
No one knows, and anyone making claims either way is arrogant in their beliefs.

Simple as that.
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Now that this matter is settled, have a good day!
 
Much ado about nothing. Literally, nothing. Both sides of this non-issue should do everyone else a favor by choking on a cock and dying.

Any sane person is tired of hearing about people's invisible friends AND other people's hatred towards those invisible friends.
 
it's interesting that many of the atheists I know personally are also extremely liberal, and have no issues with allowing the federal government unbelievable latitude when it comes to restricting personal liberties for "the greater good"

all knowing being in the sky creating binding moral legislation = bad
all knowing being in the white house creating binding moral legislation =good

please.
 
IceToEskimos said:
it's interesting that many of the atheists I know personally are also extremely liberal, and have no issues with allowing the federal government unbelievable latitude when it comes to restricting personal liberties for "the greater good"

all knowing being in the sky creating binding moral legislation = bad
all knowing being in the white house creating binding moral legislation =good

please.
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Fucking THIS. ^

Idiocy abounds.
 
Crisis said:
Tip guys: Christians have got over the whole war mongering thing.
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Not the ones in congress, or the White House, or these people :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Auf-Su-xZVU]BILL MOYERS JOURNAL | Christian Zionism | PBS - YouTube[/ame]
 
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