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swiftmoney said:
Why are you all so against a ban on firearms?
Take a look at countries where this is enforced, wheres the problem?
The only reason that you need your guns is because the whole fucking population is armed.
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Personally, I'd rather at least have the ability to protect myself with someone breaking into my place than call 9-11 and have the "intruder" (not bed intruder) inside the house before the operator even says "Help is on the way", let alone them actually getting there.
 


cardine said:
Your logical fallacy is the texas sharpshooter
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hmm not quite getting that from the stats.

More guns on the streets = more guns in the hands of people who will use them to do bad

More guns at home =/ a safer household

I guess the fact that a very large proportion of the US blindly follows religion may have something to do with the fact that people just close their ears and eyes to FACTS and just believe whatever crap has been instilled into their little minds.
 
I would argue for any normal country that increased gun control is a good thing. The US is different though because the cat is way, way out of the bag. People are not going to start handing their guns in if the government asks for it, there will still be far too many floating around in the hands of those you don't want them in. Something really has to be done to fix the broken state that the US is in and IMO, one of the things that needs to be done is changing the poverty. I was appalled to see some of the terrible poverty when I went to the US beside some obviously extremely wealthy buildings. It really is a first world country with tons of third world parts thrown in. Too late for gun control, time to fix the people.
 
dchuk said:
Really? Wouldn't surprise you at all?

Because if it was discovered that this was a staged puppet shooting with underlying political motives rather than just a whack job with a semi automatic rifle, that would blow my fucking mind.

Would it really not surprise you if this was actually a fake shooting conspiracy? Do these fake shootings occur so often that you no longer find yourself surprised? Or is it just hyperbolic Sunday and I missed the memo?

Or maybe, just maybe, you're attached to some stupid fucking notion that it's not possible for insane people to have access to 1) guns and 2) people to shoot with said guns...and that in reality, all of these events are secretly part of some anti-gun mastermind group with one single mission in life: 2 take yur gunz?
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I don't believe this was a conspiracy, I think its simply a matter of this:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjMTNPXYu-Y"]Rahm Emanuel "DON'T WASTE A GOOD CRISIS!" - YouTube[/ame]

But I do understand why some people are so quick to see a nefarious conspiracy behind government motives to limit freedoms. After all, can you name the last US war that WASN'T started based on a lie or false flag opportunity?

The US Government has a very clear track record when it comes to false flags, lone gunman conspiracies, poisoning our own people and a whole host of other shit - why the fuck would we expect anyone to trust their motives?

The guns are there to protect yourself from the bad guys, but history has very clearly shown us that sometimes the bad guys are in our own government - and now we expect people to trust them to disarm the population?

So every time you see a reactionary movement by the powers that be after a tragic event, particularly when it would have had zero effect on preventing the incident in question (such as this one), remember these words:

"You never want a serious crisis to go to waste. And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you could not do before." ~ Rahm Emanuel
 
Bofu2U said:
Personally, I'd rather at least have the ability to protect myself with someone breaking into my place than call 9-11 and have the "intruder" (not bed intruder) inside the house before the operator even says "Help is on the way", let alone them actually getting there.
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It baffles me how many people don't grasp this.. without guns how do you plan on protecting yourself when some nut comes in your house and wants to fuck up you and your family?
 
HiGhPeR said:
It baffles me how many people don't grasp this.. without guns how do you plan on protecting yourself when some nut comes in your house and wants to fuck up you and your family?
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Here is a question, how do most of the rest of the world do it???

Go and have a look at home invasion statistics and incidents of murder, rape etc. and you tell me whether it is safer to have a gun at home or not.

And to the guy who is talking about poverty, that is just a cop out, go look at a place like India, tens if not hundreds of millions living in ACTUAL slums and look at their violent crime rates compared to the US.

It is clearly just a case of indoctrination and people not wanting to face up to FACTS and not rhetoric.
 
yeah, let's ban guns, but let police and the state have them. sounds like a good idea, except if you consider history..

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HiGhPeR said:
It baffles me how many people don't grasp this.. without guns how do you plan on protecting yourself when some nut comes in your house and wants to fuck up you and your family?
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If I lived in a place where that was a significant risk, I'd move. As it is, you might as well ask how I'm going to protect myself when aliens come to anally probe me.

What I don't understand about gun culture in the US is... why do you need assault rifles?
 
Criminals, by definition, do not abide by the law...

A law banning guns would only take guns out of the hands of non-criminals. How the fuck is that supposed to help?
 
Japan.

In Japan, there's no gun, there's even restriction about swords. (LOL!)

And Japan is one of the safest, if not the safest place of the World.
Not talking, about how polite civilized, gentle, smart, peaceful, Japanese people are compared to Chinese AND (yes AAAND) Westerners.

America has fallen that low, that you need guns to shoot your fellow countrymen?

In China, we do not have guns, and it's safe.
And, yes there's a lot of misery in China, which is heartbreaking, coz', they are human beings, like you & I. ;)

What's happening to America? Is it all about gang culture, and consumerism?
 
Couldn't think of anything to get my husband for Christmas... just decided a concealed weapons certificate class for both of us would be a good idea!
 
Even if you wanted to ban guns in the US, it's too fucking late. It is wayyyy too late. There are so many guns floating around that aren't registered it's unreal. The last thing you want is to have all of these illegal guns floating around and the criminals knowing damn well they can break into any home they want without having to worry about the victims protecting themselves. America has a high crime rate across the board, and times are getting tougher and the economy is shit. Even if you don't own a gun, trust and believe the fact that law abiding citizens can own them helps keep you safe. I came up in a rough city and have dealt with some shady individuals in my day. Trust me, you don't want these people knowing they can rob anyone they want and knowing they don't have to worry about guns and as the economy gets worse this becomes even more the case.

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Also, even if you think that image above is over the top, do you really want to disarm or limit the arms of the people when you have a government passing shit like NDAA on new years eve? Seriously? Fuck That!
 
You kiddin'?

So, the FBI + US Army are going to visit each single household, and take all the guns away???

The US government is going to catch over 300 millions firearms???

What they may do, is only set up some limits on ammunition, and kind of guns you can buy.
 
Al_hk said:
In Japan, there's no gun, there's even restriction about swords. (LOL!)

And Japan is one of the safest, if not the safest place of the World.
Not talking, about how polite civilized, gentle, smart, peaceful, Japanese people are compared to Chinese AND (yes AAAND) Westerners.

America has fallen that low, that you need guns to shoot your fellow countrymen?

In China, we do not have guns, and it's safe.
And, yes there's a lot of misery in China, which is heartbreaking, coz', they are human beings, like you & I. ;)

What's happening to America? Is it all about gang culture, and consumerism?
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Japan is 1/26th the size of the US. It's not feasible to erradicate guns in the US.
 
swiftmoney said:
Why are you all so against a ban on firearms?
Take a look at countries where this is enforced, wheres the problem?
The only reason that you need your guns is because the whole fucking population is armed.
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No one needs guns. Millions of people go without them and they're just fine. Millions of others go with them and they're fine too.

Armed populations are not victims of genocide, they don't get invaded, they can protect their property and exercise deadly force when necessary without relying on others, and they can hunt and kill their own food.

Like it or not gun ownership is a deeply routed part of American culture with its own pros and cons. Most of the reasoning behind gun ownership is from centuries back and is a response to life under precolonial and colonial monarchy. It's a symbol of personal power and a check against the power monopoly of government. It's the ability to bag a deer and feed your family without a local land baron raping your wife or confiscating a year's pay for stealing his property. It's a sign to other countries that you don't want to invade us because we're triggerhappy maniacs who will send you packing. It's a reflection of the idea that people are the government and the government should serve people, not the other way around.

Plus Americans are much more well equipped to deal with the inevitable zombie apocalypse.

So yeah, a few thousand firearm fatalities a year in exchange for that. You decide whether it's worth it.
 
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