Republican Party: Party of the past

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I went to the Republican caucuses last night. Of course I was caucusing for Ron Paul. Things got pretty heated there. The only differences, I had points to my arguments, and the old republican guard had none.

Instead of talking about real issues, such as our economy, the falling value fo the US dollar, bringing our troops home, they wanted to talk about supporting "good" candidates with "conservative social values" people who supported amendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage, overturn Roe V Wade, and all this other nonsense.

How about taking a stance on issues that actually have an impact on our lives, folks? Seriously...

When I tried talking about why we should support Dr. Paul, the federal reserve, the absurd amount of debt our country is in, only the 7 or so Paul supporters in the room knew what I was talking about and wanted to listen and discuss.

A few folks even brought up the fact that "Ron Paul would pull the rug out from under our troops and keep them stranded" - people clapped when this moron said that. Someone else in the room then went on to remind everyone that Ron Paul has received more support than all other candidates on both sides of the party line COMBINED.

They claim to be "pro life" yet anti stem cell research. This seems highly contradictory to me.

So, I have come to the conclusion that the Republican party as we know it is on the way out the door. There is not enough of us "new" Republicans to control the party for the time being. Republicans no longer stand for "conservative" values in the original sense of the word - conservative GOVERNMENT. They would rather rant and rave about saving the sanctity of marriage, because you know, us heterosexuals manage to make about all of 45% marriages last, you know?

Last night was very discouraging. There are so many close minded, uneducated people in this party that it's almost impossible to call myself a Republican anymore.

I don't even know if I want Paul to run as a third party candidate. It'll just cost a bunch of money and the sheeple of this nation still won't listen.
 


Heh I was just thinking Pro life and Pro death sentence was a big paradox.

I guess there are alot of contradictions.

Aim, I know what you mean about the "real" Issues. I've been saying the same thing for years. For example in the democratic party (which I tend to align with) the issue of immagration is FUCKING RIDICULOUS. I'm sorry, what are you mad about? that the "damn mexicans" might come in and take your trash collecting job? Or are you worried about that texas construction job that has you out on the roof for 12 hours a day in August?? This is the biggest issue in our country right now? PLEASE. What about education? Constitutional Rights? Foreign Policy? Environmentally renewable resources? The issue of people who work their ass off doing jobs I will never do, just to get a tiny bit better of a life than what they had, IS NOT AN ISSUE.

That being said, Aim, why would you think we would know what the "real" issues are? I think what you said makes sense as "real" issues and I think what I said makes sense as "real" issues but my uncle who has been a democrat all his life is being "forced" to vote republican because the most important issue to him as a born again christian is anti abortion. He actually is sick over having to do this but he doesn't feel he has a choice. So obviously, this is a "real" issue to him.
 
turbolapp said:
I'm sorry, what are you mad about? that the "damn mexicans" might come in and take your trash collecting job? Or are you worried about that texas construction job that has you out on the roof for 12 hours a day in August??
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I don't care about the jobs they take . I care about them having over 5 kids and using up public funding. It doesn't matter what race they are.
 
I don't think it is traditional GOP conservatism that can't keep pace with times. It is, ironically, neo conservatism as displayed by these retards you encountered that is out of touch with the world and the majority of the country. Fiscally left wing, socially right wing, no qualms with big federal government, and hawkish on war: every authoritarian and backward ass way of thinking under one roof. If these nut jobs keep at it, I think they'll find themselves rulers of a dead party very soon.
 
Then make them citizens and and make them pay taxes.

We still have bigger problems than the people south of the border.
 
its okay by the end of Hillary's reign that same fence is going to be used to keep us out of mexico. viva la recession!
 
He actually is sick over having to do this but he doesn't feel he has a choice. So obviously, this is a "real" issue to him.
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I guess by real issues I mean things that will affect our lives directly. This issue doesn't; either way, it doesn't matter where the presidential candidates stand, if this is an issue at all, it's a STATE issue and not a federal issue. I believe issues that DO affect us are things like the economy, federal spending and foreign policy.

The issue of people who work their ass off doing jobs I will never do, just to get a tiny bit better of a life than what they had, IS NOT AN ISSUE.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Honestly, I think a lot of the illegal immigration fire is fueled by slightly prejudice Americans. I'm not saying that illegal immigration is right, and they shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the law. I WILL say that Hispanics are extremely hard working; at times I wish we could swap out some lazy American-born system-leecher citizens for some hard-working folks across the boarder.

Deliguy said:
its okay by the end of Hillary's reign that same fence is going to be used to keep us out of mexico. viva la recession!
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Lol Coincidentally I was already looking for condo's in Puerto Vallarta this morning...
 
turbolapp said:
Then make them citizens and and make them pay taxes.

We still have bigger problems than the people south of the border.
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I agree that there are other big(ger) problems facing the US, but this is definitely not to be overlooked. I think the issue is broader than just getting shitty jobs. Increases in crime, current lack of being able to punish them for major crimes, and a general lack of responsibility for personal actions due to the fact that they will only be deported is a major problem. Making everyone a citizen has it major flaws too. Access to public funds, healthcare, Social security, etc. all cost money. And a lot of it. Most of these people have contributed little or nothing fiscally, and continue to do so while expecting the same treatment as the rest of us.

I'm not saying that there is an easy solution, just pointing out that there are a lot of aspects to consider.

On a higher level, the person that is best for the country will never be elected into a position of power. Everyone is far too interested in their own personal agendas and issues. Immigrants will vote for those who will make life easier for them. Same with high income earners, broke ass poor folk, business leaders, and any other major sect. With so many diverse interests, lack sight (or interest in) of high level direction for the country, and disregard for anything other than self interests, the general population is creating it's own mess. Politics is frustrating for anyone who has an interest and knowledge in any of those areas.
 
Too little, too late?

I care about the result of this election because my government will - for now - continue to play follow the leader. But the balance of power is rapidly shifting, just as England had her day, so has America. Sooner or later, China will start cashing in those bonds.

We've got a similar issue with immigration here and there is only one solution - improve the lives of people in other countries so they have no need or desire to come to ours. That's very long-term though and how many politicians think past the next election?
 
The immigration issue is not just a "Mexican" issue. Immigration has to do with all of our borders, none of which are secure. Many people from Europe, the Middle East and other regions waltz on in through Canada. Asia, Latin America, etc also funnel in a lot of immigrants, legal and illegal. You just think it's Mexicans cause that's what they put on the news.

I haven't aligned myself with a party either because they seem so far from what they used to stand for.. although the dems at least are talking about the war, healthcare and the economy. Who knows, I'm still watching them all.
 
I couldn't vote for Ron Paul in California since I'm registered as a Libertarian (only registered Republicans can vote in the Republican Primary in CA). That'll teach me, lol. I LEFT the republican party because everyone sounded religious and neoconservative, and then finally a Republican candidate shows up that I actually wholeheartedly support - and I can't give him my vote! Damn.
 
DaveEMG said:
I couldn't vote for Ron Paul in California since I'm registered as a Libertarian (only registered Republicans can vote in the Republican Primary in CA). That'll teach me, lol. I LEFT the republican party because everyone sounded religious and neoconservative, and then finally a Republican candidate shows up that I actually wholeheartedly support - and I can't give him my vote! Damn.
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Who are you supporting for the LP candidate, out of curiousity? I just had a look at lp.org to see who was running and I'm kind of getting into Wayne Allen Root.

TV producer, gambler, no political experience whatsoever, looks like the motherfucking Kingpin, not even half as educated as Ron Paul, but listening to the guy talk gets me excited about liberty again. He has more charisma than about every LP presidential candidate that ever ran combined. It's also cool that he's fully aware of his odds of winning but doesn't care. He says he's in this for the 8-16 year long haul of making the LP a household name and building enough momentum to one day have a real shot at the White House.
 
Well, I voted for Badnarik (sp?) last time around. I felt he was a good candidate. Ron Paul, truthfully, is a full-fledged Libertarian candidate (he ran under the LP years ago).

To be honest, if it comes down to a 3rd party choice, I'm very curious to see if Michael Bloomberg will make a run as a full independent candidate. He strikes me as being essentially a centrist, with free market tendencies and moderate social views. I think the full fledged Libertarian platform terrifies a lot of people (namely welfare recipients and religious nuts who stand to gain / lose so much by the drop of the political hat). A centrist with Libertarian-esque views on the other hand may be able to overcome those concerns by saying, "I won't be that extreme".

I just really want a president that will say, "Let's scale back the scope of the federal government, return a greater number of rights and responsibilities to the people and the states / communities in which they reside." The president that proposes uniform tax cuts and spending cuts will earn my vote.
 
I half-wish people here were motivated enough to join a party just to influence their choice of leader. Not that it would make much difference really though, Brown got his coronation as no fucker stood against him (after B'liar said he'd serve a full term.. wanker!).
 
turbolapp said:
Then make them citizens and and make them pay taxes.

We still have bigger problems than the people south of the border.
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With those low paying "trash hauling" jobs you speak of they will end up NOT paying taxes. instead they will recieve free health care, free housing, free daycare, free college, free school lunch and to top that earned income credit totalling about 7k or more per family.

No thanks. We have enough strain on our welfare system as it is. Kick them all out and make them line up for citizenship. Just like my grandfather did and probably most of this forums grandparents did.

Of course with Billary or Obama in EVERYONE will have free shit up to their eyeballs, and the real taxpayers along with the economy will have to open up and take a huge bite of shit sandwich.

Make no mistake illegal immigration and border security is the most important problem America faces today. If the terrorist cells that are sneaking through don't ruin us..I guess the illegals draining our coffers dry will.
 
I live in the Philippines and boy do we need a Filipino version of RON PAUL here. If you think it's FVX0R3D in the US, wait till you check out the situation here. All the government seems to know is Tax-spend-hit a financial crisis-raise taxes-raise spending-hit another crisis-repeat till you throw up.

It's bullshit. Plus all the economic "nationalism" shit that keeps foreign capital from investing and creating a lot more jobs.

That's why I voted for Ron Paul in the primary--he can see that if America keeps doing what its doing: slick politicians handing out "freebies" to "solve" problems, it will end up as sick as a Third World banana republic replete with an oligopoly that strangles the economy.

Vote for Freedom! Vote for Ron Paul.
 
popeye said:
Make no mistake illegal immigration and border security is the most important problem America faces today. If the terrorist cells that are sneaking through don't ruin us..I guess the illegals draining our coffers dry will.
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You don't need immigrants to drain your coffers, you're doing a pretty good job of it yourselves. Look at the figures, any social and welfare programs will be a tiny amount compared to the billions of dollars of your taxes that Bush & Co have wasted securing a better future for their cronies.
 
LazyHippy said:
You don't need immigrants to drain your coffers, you're doing a pretty good job of it yourselves. Look at the figures, any social and welfare programs will be a tiny amount compared to the billions of dollars of your taxes that Bush & Co have wasted securing a better future for their cronies.
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Yes, Bush is not a fiscal conservative. He has fooled alot of us Rebublicans. In fact he has spent more money on social programs than any Pres in history.
 
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