What do you think about AIG 61 Billion quarterly loss?

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My mother had an annuity with them, and I'm glad I got every cent out after she passed away in '07. Take the money and run is what I think.
 
Obama will heal AIG with Change and Hope. Because he will get AIG to say YES WE CAN until they turn a profit.

Oh, btw, Britain has launched a probe into AIG for fraud. lol

I'm sure it will turn a profit one day and pay everyone back. :music06:
 
Gotta love Obama's reasoning on giving them $30 billion - "We don't know what would happen if we didn't bail them out." Something along those lines. AIG has been trading at .42-.50, usually in the early market it opens at .50 then everyone shorts it back down to the low .40s. Everyone in the foreign markets are eating up this stock, don't know why. Personally I don't think they are giong to make it and will eventually get natiionalized. Let's wipe out all the common shareholders, but just yesterday Obama was telling us to buy stocks caue they are at such a great deal. Yea, ok.
 
Obama has campaign debts to pay back.....so yea billions more will be pumped into them until there is just no way to spin their problems and no longer a way to prop them up.
 
Obama has campaign debts to pay back.....so yea billions more will be pumped into them until there is just no way to spin their problems and no longer a way to prop them up.
Popeye, who knew Obama would make Bush's policies so successful!?
 
They will fail.

They need to restructure, cut cost, and become more efficient. From what I can tell they don't appear to be doing any of that.
 
Disclaimer: I'm not a stockholder and have never worked there, so my knowledge of AIG is not intimate. But this is what I know from reading the newspaper and talking to people who used to work there.

You can think of AIG like two separate companies.

Their traditional and heavily-regulated insurance operations are relatively healthy. This a good and viable business that, in a traditional and risk-intelligent way, underwrites major segments of the non-financial U.S. economy.

From consumer-end home & auto insurance policies to being the biggest workers comp issuer in the country to actually *owning* many of the airplanes that the big carriers fly and insuring a huge proportion of the country's pension & 401k plans, this side of the company is very big, conservatively managed, and underpins major segments of the "real" economy. Same holds true for AIG in Asia.

The other side of AIG is the highly speculative shadowy pseudo-hedge fund behemoth that Hank Greenberg used as his growth engine for so many years. This is the side that wrote over half a trillion dollars of credit default swaps and other complex derivatives with the large American & European investment banks & hedge funds.

Because AIG carried a AAA-rating at the time, they did not have to provide any collateral on those contracts. And they were writing default swaps to insure against exactly what is happening to all of the banks and investors now.

To simplify the problem, this part of the company was speculatively insuring investors against losses at the top of the market and doing it with nearly 100% leverage. And they didn't hedge their bets. Even simpler, they are F-U-C-K-E-D.

But the fate of the "two sides" of AIG are too closely intertwined if the company is allowed to fail. The problem is not only the size of AIG but how interconnected they are for key non-financial industries both in the U.S. economy and overseas.

I agree though that the bailouts for AIG are sickening. Even more sickening than the dollar amount is the degree to which the whole process has been very opaque.

I think all we can hope for at this point is that the recent cash injections buys enough time for the company to cleanly sell off the "good" traditional insurance units, the proceeds of which are used to repay the gov't while the rest is slowly and deliberately unwound.

A lot of those speculative derivative-driven losses still remain to be taken by AIG and their financial sector counterparties, which will and *should* result in further carnage for AIG and large bank stock & bondholders.

I do think buying some time & space to sell off the good parts of the business in an orderly fashion is probably a good thing for the productive segments of the economy that feel a lot of pain if they got taken down by the bad parts of AIG. Really the gov't should have forced them into an orderly divestiture and liquidation the first time around rather than prolonging the pain.

But we don't even know that's what the government is hoping will happen. And without better transparency, I'm afraid it might be wishful thinking at this point.
 
All the more reason to break the company up. It's too big.
The free market wants to break it up. It wants to buy the good assets and let the investors eat their bad assets.

But if the government breaks it up, it will be like everything government does. It will reward political connections, not talented and capable business people.
 
The free market wants to break it up. It wants to buy the good assets and let the investors eat their bad assets.

But if the government breaks it up, it will be like everything government does. It will reward political connections, not talented and capable business people.

If the free market breaks it up, the financial system will completely collapse according to the people that know more about banking than us (hence the label "too big to fail"). Loose regulation is what allows a company to grow too god damned big, and the free market will always eat itself if left unregulated due to the inherent, greedy nature of people.

Read up on what happened in September when there was an electronic run on the bank. The precious "free market" pulled half a trillion dollars out in a couple of hours, and would have collapsed our entire economic system had the free market been left to it's own devices.

Unregulated capitalism works just like communism does - only in books and on Internet forums.
 
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