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hello wickedfire...

this is a slightly blackhat method for earning the money through cpa programs.

We have been working with affiliates for a long time now, but all behind the scenes, now I wish to offer these services to wickedfire.

How this method works is you get fresh list of leads... for instance if you have debt offer, you will get fresh list of debt leads or if you have insurance offer you will get fresh list of insurance leads.

Once you acquire list, we will send unique sign ups to your cpa offer.

We can also work with offers that require the virtual credit card, but you must also provide this.

if you have questions about process of how this works you can send private message here or write me email at izzamaney@gmail . com
 


For anyone interested, let me try to explain process in better term

If you buy fresh quality lead from lead supplier for example:

htt****p://www.debtleads.net/

you buy the 24 hour one for $13, then you have us do uniques on maybe 3 offers. Say these 3 offers pay $20 each, the offer will get what they want: fresh quality lead. You will get what you want $60 commision. Cost to you for the 3 leads with us would be $9 plus the $13 for fresh lead... so you would pay $22 total, and make $38.

You can add many offers and get many lead types so as you can see this would be very profitable. We have ability to do mass volumes.

thank you for interest
 
What are you blabbing on about man? I'm trying to understand...maybe it's just late and I'm tired but this smells funky.
 
m0rtal said:
What are you blabbing on about man? I'm trying to understand...maybe it's just late and I'm tired but this smells funky.
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what is confuse you?

It is slightly blackhat... but advertisers not complaining actually advertisers happy mostly :)

please ask questions I try answer
 
productionhead said:
So you're buying leads and entering them into lead forms that are connected to your affiliate ID, using different IPs to make the leads seem legit.

I'm interested. Is it possible to use the MakeMonies Affiliate Network for this?
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No, we are not buying leads. you must acquire lead information, how you acquire it is up to you. If you were to run a offline campaign, we would the middleman labor between your offline lead generation and getting it to offer.

How you acquire lead information is up to you, we are simply here to help relay information to advertiser seeking person.

Has worked very successfully in past? yes it has...

questions of morals/ethics? Depend on outlook. Person has already requested information regarding service we are bringing them too.
 
xmcp123 said:
This absolutely screams fraud.
The VCC thing? Definitelyyyy for fake leads.
Post an explanation to counter me by the time my ass wakes up tomorrow, or you're out.
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hello xmcp

for vcc, it could be for a incentive offer.

Some companies we work with run offline campaigns, and they require middleman to transfer offline leads through cpa networks... While this may be slightly shady, it is definitely not fraud.

We are not filling in fake information unless our employers are giving us fake information, which would damaging to them.

Like I explained, we have worked with offline campaigns who need a go inbetween the offline campaign and staying within the networks compliancy so the advertisers don't complain.

I hope this helps explain more of what we are doing. How the person acquires information is not up to us, we are just acting as a middleman between the lead they acquired and the networks.

While I can see where you could think it would be fraudelent, we have never seen any complaints, because most all of our employers use quality leads to send to their offers... The offers are happy and continue to work with them. We have even had offers give bonus's.
 
izzamaney said:
Some companies we work with run offline campaigns, and they require middleman to transfer offline leads through cpa networks... While this may be slightly shady, it is definitely not fraud.
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xmcp123 said:
Ok. I'm going to talk to izzamaney to get a better idea of what's going on here. Stay tuned.
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Umm.. I think i found a buzzword to instantly calm someone...
 
Alright. I had a chance to talk to him, and this stuff(according to what he described to me) seems pretty legit. There may be some issues, but the leads should be fine.

So I'm not vouching one way or the other, just saying this is not out and out fraud or anything like that. Actually, it's pretty creative.
 
thank you xmcp123, I look forward to being part of possibly the coolest community in the webmaster world... no ass kissing, honestly :)

I would also like to let you all know for shorter offers such as email/zips we can lower cost depending on offer usually 20 cents depending on offers value.

If anyone needs more specifics on what this is we're doing here, you can pm me or ask questions here and I will try my hardest to answer them.
 
I get what izzamaney is providing here, and at first glance it seems great. But I've got a few questions that could potentially lead to issues for anyone using his service.

Say, for example, I have a brick and mortar business in Seattle, Washington. Through this business I legally / legitimately acquire a ton of auto insurance leads. I obviously want to capitalize on this list, so I shoot it off to izzamaney with a list of offers to put the data through. Dandy.

But here's the flaw as I see it: all this data is from one place: Seattle. What happens when the merchant/network/whoever notices that the IP's submitting the data are coming from all over the US (or worse, internationally)?

You say that you can handle volume, which is great, but something bad is bound to happen when you realize your lead for John Q. America who lives in Houston, Texas (zip code 77001, etc) is, magically, "submitting his information" from a computer in New York (or India)? And uh-oh, all the other leads have the same problem.

Ya get what I mean?

Maybe I completely missed the idea here, but I'd love to hear some info on this topic - and if it doesn't matter, why?
 
elime said:
I get what izzamaney is providing here, and at first glance it seems great. But I've got a few questions that could potentially lead to issues for anyone using his service.

Say, for example, I have a brick and mortar business in Seattle, Washington. Through this business I legally / legitimately acquire a ton of auto insurance leads. I obviously want to capitalize on this list, so I shoot it off to izzamaney with a list of offers to put the data through. Dandy.

But here's the flaw as I see it: all this data is from one place: Seattle. What happens when the merchant/network/whoever notices that the IP's submitting the data are coming from all over the US (or worse, internationally)?

You say that you can handle volume, which is great, but something bad is bound to happen when you realize your lead for John Q. America who lives in Houston, Texas (zip code 77001, etc) is, magically, "submitting his information" from a computer in New York (or India)? And uh-oh, all the other leads have the same problem.

Ya get what I mean?

Maybe I completely missed the idea here, but I'd love to hear some info on this topic - and if it doesn't matter, why?
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Hey to clarify, this is the exact issue we deal with.

We will make sure the IP matches the location of the leads. If you have a lead you acquired in seattle, we will use a seattle ip or a nearby location within the state of washington.

For instance, if you have a lead acquired in texas, we're not going to send the lead from washington because this would jeopardize your account.

Also, the IP's are not identical to eachother, that means, we're not going to send your offers using a block of ips that look alike.

Most of our clients acquire there leads through online measures rather then offline, so rarely do we deal with all the leads being from 1 city, but for our offline clients that are running door to door/ telemarketing/store front etc. types of offline campaigns, we are able to provide the IP's based on the city they were acquired in.
 
Wow, good show with the quick response. I'm actually somewhat surprised, seems like you guys have actually thought this out pretty well. Interesting stuff.
 
Just to answer a common question I am getting in PM... We are not a lead provider.

We take the lead information you supply to us and put it into your cpa offers using a IP matching the lead information.

Also, we will be providing tests of our services to build reputation and get some reviews on here.
 
Fuck. No matter how many times I re-read this thread, I cannot understand what's happening. Part of the thread seems I say that you'll send us leads?
 
So say I have a leads offer than generations 5 bucks. Then for 3$ you can get me those leads and then I make 2$ on each?
 
HairyHun said:
So say I have a leads offer than generations 5 bucks. Then for 3$ you can get me those leads and then I make 2$ on each?
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prices can be negotiated based on payout... The $3 price would usually apply to a offer paying $15 or above.

We have to factor into the price how many pages the offer requires etc.

but yeah, $3 for a $5 offer would be outrageous.
 
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