30,000 More Troops To Afghanistan
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That peace prize really painted him into a corner.
Mark my words, he's saying he'll send 30K but less publicly, they're drop it to 25k, then 20k etc to appease to his new Muslim 'constituents'.
It's amazing.
I was watching CNN real quick last night just to see what was said. They had a guest on who said something like, "He really manned up and stepped up to the plate."
A real man isn't someone who sends 30,000 more people into a now meaningless war that's simply a money pit. A real man is someone who swallows his pride, takes the shitstorm that would follow, and gets the troops out of there as soon as possible.
They can't win. They won't win.
Speaking strictly from a financial point of view how can Obama possibly do this when the economy and dollar are falling apart all over again. (Que the people saying, "no the media said it was getting better!")
This is truly disappointing - not that I expected much less.
I was watching CNN real quick last night just to see what was said. They had a guest on who said something like, "He really manned up and stepped up to the plate."
A real man isn't someone who sends 30,000 more people into a now meaningless war that's simply a money pit. A real man is someone who swallows his pride, takes the shitstorm that would follow, and gets the troops out of there as soon as possible.
They can't win. They won't win.
Speaking strictly from a financial point of view how can Obama possibly do this when the economy and dollar are falling apart all over again. (Que the people saying, "no the media said it was getting better!")
This is truly disappointing - not that I expected much less.
Obama said the whole time he was running for president that he was going to step up our resources in Afghanistan. We will go from 30k troops there before he took office (now 70k troops) to around 100k troops + 35k more troops from other countries. He has also laid out a timetable at the beginning of this expansion, which if he sticks to it, means this shit will be over by reelection time.
While I wish we weren't there at all, in the alternative I want him to go big as possible and get it done with.
Ultimately he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
While I wish we weren't there at all, in the alternative I want him to go big as possible and get it done with.
Ultimately he is doing exactly what he said he was going to do.
While I agree with you here, setting a public timetable pretty much tells our enemies to lay low and it will be business as usual once our soldiers leave. The kind of commitment will turn the tide of foreign support to our enemies for fear of reprisals once we're no longer there to protect them (the supporters).
Makes for a very bad precedence.
It's funny how Bush's surge was criticized but now the Obama fanboys are sniffing his ass over his own little surge.
If he gets the job done, our enemies "laying low" won't matter because the afghan forces will be capable of handling the job themselves. In the meantime , he will get more much needed support from his base by doing this. He also gets more support from our allies, where the sell is even harder. Worst case he can change the plan based on how things have gone at that point.
Obama isn't retarded, I know the right likes to think he is, but he is very capable of calculating possible scenarios. Think about what the right would be saying right now if he pulled us out.
Also I don't think its appropriate to compare this to the iraq surge decision. But either way, if you are going, go fucking big, not half assed.
Exactly. Anyone who payed attention to his words during the campaign knows he's doing exactly what he said he would. Anyone who voted for him -- unless they are ignorant or stupid -- voted for an escalation in Afghanistan.
it was his entire platform.
Sometimes I get so confused when people say shit like "you only think sarah palin is retarded because of the gotcha media, SNL, and democratic talking points" and then i remember that fucking nobody pays attention to anything, so the "liberal outrage" shouldn't surprise me here.
Let's hope so, or they'll lay down their arms and take up new ones for the stronger Taliban
I won't argue that either. maybe a change of plan is good for this. You know what they say about the definition of insanity (doing the same thing and expecting a different result)
No, he's definitely not retarded but he is acting very stupidly when he doesn't accept the advice of his military leaders and takes the solution down his own path. I wouldn't try heart surgery on myself - I'd rather get someone who knows what they're doing to do it instead.
what advice is he ignoring? The only thing i've heard is that he was asked for 40k troops and is bringing 30-35k instead.
Also I'd argue part of this has to be political (his rustling of support), and in that situation he is the heart surgeon.
Likewise on the right you have the tards that are all like OMGZ he's an arab and he's gonna give Texas and our white women to Al Qeada and if you voted for him you're the 19th hijacker! And all along he's been one of the most hawkish on Afghanistan.
It really sucks balls, because we elected him to get us out of there and Iraq. Nobody wins in Afghanistan (go ask the Russians and the British). It's lose-lose for us.
He wouldn't even be qualified to play Operation in the military circles.
And waiting 3 months to make a decision on this makes him look like a complete idiot - I don't care what side of the isle you sit. That fact alone could get fellow politicians to pull his surgeon credentials quickly.
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The time table was put in place to calm the fucking, ignorant raving left. NO ONE can set a time table on a war. It is absolutely ignorant to believe that you can predict when the situation will be ready for American troops to come home.
It's all political. It's sick to see the President of the United States politicize our troops and a war where soldiers are dying. But thats what we get for voting in a hack that has no life experience outside of attending class and rounding up poor people to paint park benches.