7search cracking down on Arbitrage?

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So I've been trying this for the past week or so. Just recently I started getting a positive ROI. And 7search never calls me. So finally I end up calling, and they tell me that they're going to call me back in 30 minutes but don't. So a couple days later I'm reaching the $5 limit without verifying the account. So I call in, the guy says whoops about what happened the other day. He informs me my accounts put on "hold" and transfers me.

While being transferred I notice in my e-mail this just came.

Hello xxxxxx,


Thank you, for choosing 7Search: Online Pay Per Click Search Engine, Metasearch, Finding Tools, Searching the Web, and SE Locator. for your advertising. Unfortunately, we can not allow you to advertise your site per our advertiser guidelines: 7Search Advertiser Guidelines - PPC Pay for Placement/Performance, Affiliate Programs . If you have a site in which does comply within our guidelines, you may then continue your advertising.

Thank you


Even though none of my keywords are off at all, all pointing to relevant sites.

So I end up talking to this lady and she preaches to me how I'm "spamming the database", and "doing arbitrage" and how that's not okay. So wtf. That's the ONLY thing 7search is good for. Has anyone else EVER got this?

This isn't in their webmaster guidelines at all.
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That is a post I made in the "arbi test" thread. But I think it deserves it's own thread.

I don't really understand their logic. Besides the fact that EVERYONE on 7search is doing Arbi(or you're losing money, but not a lot. Considering you're only getting 1-2 clicks a day, hah.)

Are they trying to protect their "integrity"?

The people using 7search as affiliates would be sites that either ARE banned from any reputable PPC or know that how they're getting traffic WOULD get them banned. I'm pretty sure a while ago when google had it's "Bad Data Push" and the person who got "billions" of pages indexed was using Adsense. Got banned. Used 7search.

If you have to use 7search on your site. You don't care as long as you're getting the most money. And seriously...no one uses 7search on PURPOSE.

Also it seems like they charged me 13 times for the $25 amount for an initial deposit (total $325). I e-mailed them. And I just checked and it looks like they've closed my account. I don't know if they've refunded me the money yet and they haven't contacted me back. Let's just see where this goes.

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this. Especially the bigger players. I didn't spend more than $2.40 and they cracked down on me. I can't imagine what it's like for people spending $100+ a month with them (if there even are people reaching that.)

Eventually I might start a new account with a different CC and just wait until I'm approved before doing anything and see what happens.
 


So far they haven't complained about me. No problems since I signed up. And yes, I spend $xxx monthly with them (some ppl here spend $xxxx monthly and maybe more).

I have hundreds of sites with them now and they don't seem to care. I even submitted a spreadsheet for mass submission to their support staff and they responded fairly quick with a nice message saying the job was done. Any idiot would see that my submission was obviously meant for arbi.

So I think you have had bad luck with them. Maybe talked to the wrong person at a bad time.pms maybe? ;-)

But seriously; did the person you spoke with use the word "arbitrage" and seemed to know what your sites were for? It could be some new employee dumbass that takes their TOS way too serious. I would try the "may I speak to your manager" approach if I were you. Explain that you have several legit sites that you need to campaign and that you think it was unprofessional of them to disable your account on assumptions. Be creative.
 
Interesting. They still haven't called me back after a few days. I hope this doesn't happen to me cause I would get medeval on the pimple-ridden manager.
 
The real question is.. who cares? The quality of their traffic is a joke. Places like 7search should not be kicking or even caring about things like this. Why? Because no one else wants to get stuck with their shitty traffic. Do you know anyone who can convert any type of lead offer or anything really just based on 7Search traffic? I know I don't, and the one time I did hear about it, they had to spend more than 3x what they actually made, so they lost money on it! Well, if they want to start talking about guidelines and ethics, maybe it's time they look at their own company's business model and how they get traffic and pawn it off as "convertable" because everyone I know who uses them sure as shit doesn't use them to attempt to get any sales or leads. They just plain suck! The only thing you can convert on is clicks on any type of contextual advertising.

By the way.. Are you sending your traffic to a blatant MFA page? Because then I'd consider you a fucktard and a half for not following what I've said so many times.. but if you aren't well, tough noogies to you I guess, go find another ppc engine from the hundreds of shitty ones that exist just like 7Search that won't give you shit about actually spending money on buying their shit traffic.
 
Arbitrage is gold for all of the second and third tier networks. There is no damn way that the average Google or Yahoo advertiser is going to run their ads on other networks. Most of them can't even figure out the first tiers. As for the conversion aspect of it all, thats because they can't figure out how to combat clickfraud. Second and third tier networks are great because the first tiers don't allow adware -- which, despite the controversy, is real traffic.
 
If you want to use 7search for your mfa pages, then you might actually sign up with a site that is more "normal". I don't think they are as thorough checking additional sites added on.

I will say I had an issue with blatant fraud with them recently from some traffic and they investigated and provided a refund very quickly.

I am not going to argue with people about the viablity of 7search as a marketing tool, because frankly it does not benefit me to do so. :)
 
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By the way.. Are you sending your traffic to a blatant MFA page? Because then I'd consider you a fucktard and a half for not following what I've said so many times.. but if you aren't well, tough noogies to you I guess, go find another ppc engine from the hundreds of shitty ones that exist just like 7Search that won't give you shit about actually spending money on buying their shit traffic.
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As far as I can tell all the people pulling in the serious traffic "according to adsblacklist" and the fact that they are in every niche on every ppc provider follow a pretty similar style... Ads on top of shit content.

So I dont think you can call people fucktards for using mfa pages...
 
Couple of things....

First, when I signed up, i added a single legit site of mine, got confirmed, and then started adding the arbi sites. I didn't want to put anything about arbi on there for them to see (not that it should matter).

Second......i'm *guessing* that 7Search has recently begun having server loads do to automated bots killing their analytics/stats servers. That is most likely why they recently changed their captcha. So, you just happened to be talking to the wrong person at the wrong time. If management is griping that their server is getting killed from a site like sixofspades and they are changing some code, I can see how someone from their support might give you a response like you got.

Finally, it shouldn't matter to them. They are making LOTS more money do to arbitrage, and probably due to the wickedfire community.
 
Jon said:
Do you know anyone who can convert any type of lead offer or anything really just based on 7Search traffic?
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Me. I've only hit a 2:1 return on it and the only reason why I ran affiliate was for the heck of it 'cause everything else went to crap on there and I had some money left on 7search to burn.

Of course it wasn't a huge amount of cash and could have just been pure dumb luck on my part.

I not sure if I will continue with them after this campaign runs out or just switch it all over to the others I've tested that have net me better results.
 
i've only used them for arb, but i get a good CTR (40%) and have never had a problem with them - in fact their customer support is pretty reliable and answers quickly...my pages are pretty blantent arb pages, but my articles aren't scraped and are all original, so they read well.

of course I wish they had more traffic - but I've had almost 3:1 ROI w/ them over the last two months.
 
I think I would have been fine if I waited until I was approved until I put up the sites. They weren't BLATANT mfa. It was just an article with an adblock. But when I bid on "xxx" keywords it when to an article about "xxx", so I don't see the relevancy problem. I did over-promise on a lot of the ads though.

Just a heads up the person I talked to was Monica something so if you get her...just hang up the phone.

The part that upset me most was I found a killer niche that NO one is in. Except some random guy spamming myspace games(how is THAT relevant?). I'm even having success with it on adbrite, which is really rare.
 
I spend $xxxx per month at 7search and haven't had any problems. Oh, and I have also done about 4:1 on affiliate offers at 7search.
 
careful with adbrite traffic
it's considered bottom of the barrel and can get ur acc disabled
 
I'd definately agree with you on that with the network run ads on Adbrite. Never got a single conversion with that. But you can find some awesome deals for weekly ads from "real" sites.
 
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