I hate it for this guy, but he probably saved at least half of his ass by getting some media coverage.
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A Soldier That Refuses to Return to Iraq
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For how many soldiers that have come back from Iraq and told me that they shouldn't be over there, there's no doubt he's telling the truth.
Doesn't sound like he has many options though, in fact he's probably in a no win situation right now.
Remember kids, that's what you get for joining the military. Deal with it.
^^^nice... but in all seriousness, the guy made a commitment "to protect and serve... against all enemies foreign and domestic". Now, he's probably arguing that his "enemy" is now the US and he must "protect" himself against it... but the reality is, that credo is not up to interpretation by anyone but the govt. He signed a contract, agreed to "do his duty" and now he's trying to back out.
It may be fair to institute some way of getting out of your contract with penalties, the same way people are penalized for breaking a lease, for example. But what would that penalty be in this case?
My brother was in Iraq in 2004. Since then, he's had 2 children. Now he found out his unit is being called up again. What does he do? Sets a good example for his kids by honoring his commitment. It sucks, he doesn't want to go back, but he committed to the US and he'll honor that.
The guy in the article is a dbag for going hippie and trying to get out of his commitment and I bet the "him" from a few years ago would be ashamed.
It may be fair to institute some way of getting out of your contract with penalties, the same way people are penalized for breaking a lease, for example. But what would that penalty be in this case?
My brother was in Iraq in 2004. Since then, he's had 2 children. Now he found out his unit is being called up again. What does he do? Sets a good example for his kids by honoring his commitment. It sucks, he doesn't want to go back, but he committed to the US and he'll honor that.
The guy in the article is a dbag for going hippie and trying to get out of his commitment and I bet the "him" from a few years ago would be ashamed.
Mercenary? He's not being paid per kill here... although that would be nice wouldn't it?
He's not being hired to serve in a foreign military either... this one is domestic (the US army).
He does more before 8am than you've done your whole life. There is honor in making a commitment and keeping it so STFU.
Wars with these nations will only intensify the threats to western countries several folds. Perpetual war creates a unique situation for increasing wealth and power for those in control, while simultaneously degrading our rights and freedoms.
This guy signed up to serve his country, and by all means he should finish what he volunteered to do. Problem is, he's starting to realize the bigger picture. War is in place solely for the alpha's to stay in power. The cost is placed on the shoulders of those who have been brainwashed, with positive repercussions left for the brain washers.
The only thing that's spreading in those countries now, is hatred & motive to hurt every last American they can for many, many years to come.
I'm certainly no authority on the matter but these are just my observations of the whole scenario, I'm open to any opposing view.
This guy signed up to serve his country, and by all means he should finish what he volunteered to do. Problem is, he's starting to realize the bigger picture. War is in place solely for the alpha's to stay in power. The cost is placed on the shoulders of those who have been brainwashed, with positive repercussions left for the brain washers.
The only thing that's spreading in those countries now, is hatred & motive to hurt every last American they can for many, many years to come.
I'm certainly no authority on the matter but these are just my observations of the whole scenario, I'm open to any opposing view.
When you join the military, no matter the world situation at the time you just have to assume there is a possibility, however remote tha you will be required to do things you don't want to do, go places you don't want to be, kill people or be killed yourself.
If the risk is to high don't join, but if you do finish what you start.
If the risk is to high don't join, but if you do finish what you start.
Bad news is just around the corner for this guy. He needs to honor his word, return to his unit and then argue his case. Suddenly he is enlightened and says it is "immoral"? For all the guys over there who could of taken the same route, I salute them for doing their job.
He has most certainly passed the point of no return in his decision.
He will either be arrested or go back to Iraq where he most certainly will face the possibility of becoming the next victim of cannon fodder as his unit will have virtually no respect for him. 'Accidents' happen in cases like these.
He will either be arrested or go back to Iraq where he most certainly will face the possibility of becoming the next victim of cannon fodder as his unit will have virtually no respect for him. 'Accidents' happen in cases like these.
Theres more honour in standing up to bs authority telling them you wont go back, and then keeping to it. War is never a good thing and very rarely justified. You go find out what this war is based upon and still tell me its an honour to serve, that like saying you would respect a man who decides to kill x amount of men/woman/children and then carrying it out successfuly.
No Citizen, that's called being a coward. Anytime you shirk a responsibility you voluntarily signed/agreed to, you're being a coward. It doesn't matter if you disagree with what you've been tasked to do. You don't join the military to voice your opinions, you join the military to serve, simple and plain. You must be foreign or you would understand that, hence the "ou" in your version of honor.
No one said war is a good thing. But if you want to protest wars, you don't join the military, you join the peace-corps. But lets be honest, this guy wasn't THAT big of a pussy. He obviously wanted to be in the military because he loved weapons, new tech. and other cool things like jumping out of planes, running o-courses etc. Once he realized he would actually have to serve, he said 'f this' and tried to run away. If you want to try to prevent wars you become a politician or an activist. There are plenty of ways to avoid going to war. He chose to join the army.
Also, it's not about killing men/women and children. Anyone who says they'll be honored to or will respect someone who kills men/women and children is inhuman. What a ridiculous thing to say.
Like I said, maybe he joined thinking that his country would be RESPONSIBLE with their troops? Maybe he joined to protect and defend the US citizens and the US Constitution. Maybe he has realized that this war is a total fuck up mess and there are no "terrorists".Isostar13 said:
So let me ask you this. If the US gov't started ordering the troops to impose marital law and attack targets in our own country. What if the powers that be decided they don't want to follow the Constitution anymore and they start abusing the power of the military. Are you telling me the troops shouldn't refuse?
Maybe you're the coward who is too scared to stand up for your own beliefs.
Stop defending the military just because your brother is part of it and has decided to keep fighting for them. That doesn't make you, or your brother any better than any of us.
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