Any of you guys into NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) ?

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I did the audio tapes for a couple of Tony Robbins' courses and he touches on it a bit. He actually walks you through a couple of the techniques through the course and it actually works.

Anyone do any full course on NLP? How powerful can the techniques be?
 


I studied it pretty extensively a few years ago. There are some really good concepts throughout NLP like reframing, modeling, and anchoring (which all can be applied to marketing).

Richard Bandler was one of the pioneers of NLP. I'd recommend checking out his book "Frogs into Princes".

I recommend taking it with a grain of salt though. I think it can be unhealthy if you try to apply the concepts universally. I've seen some people go off the deep end with it.
 
I studied it pretty extensively a few years ago. There are some really good concepts throughout NLP like reframing, modeling, and anchoring (which all can be applied to marketing).

Richard Bandler was one of the pioneers of NLP. I'd recommend checking out his book "Frogs into Princes".

I recommend taking it with a grain of salt though. I think it can be unhealthy if you try to apply the concepts universally. I've seen some people go off the deep end with it.


Absolutely correct!!


Great Copywriters & Illusionists have been using NLP principles LONG before they ever put a name to it.


An example I give people is to start paying attention to the word "but" when either yourself or someone else is talking. Then notice how everything BEFORE the word "but" is just kinda filler or not important. Then notice everything said AFTER the word "but" and that will be the MEAT of the information.


That's one of the most basic examples but one that anyone can put into practice and get a feel for what can be found/done with NLP. (See what I did there?)


Anywho, it's really considered a "Dark Art" and Poo Poo'd in Scientific circles. Mostly due to people trying to use it in Clinical Practices to alter Phobias.


While I'm pretty sure it could be used for some psychological problems, it is better used to just "Guide One's Thinking." Your thinking or another's.


I have fun with my Fiancee' using NLP. She's a writer and quite brilliant, but I freak her out with the way I "phrase" things when I speak to her sometimes. She also doesn't trust my Subliminal Recordings. (I keep threatening to play the "Better House Keeping" one while she's sleeping. LOL)


NLP has been used by Mankind ever since we were able to communicate with each other. Just the title of Neural Linguistic Programming is new.


I "personally" think if they had just named it "Neural Linguistics" and left the PROGRAMING part out of it, there would not have been as much disdain or resistance concerning it.


I remember reading study's of the Subliminal Movie clips played in theaters back in the 1950's where they would cut in PICTURES of Popcorn & Soda right into the actual movie being shown and the way SALES would actually triple when they did it.

Same with Supermarkets masking subliminal messages of buying MEAT in the piped in store music.


These two things are almost ALWAYS tied into NLP and used to show the EVILS of it. Lulz


Yes, Motivational Speakers thought that NLP, especially the PROGRAMMING part was a good way to promote Affirmations that they taught. So, again another HIT against NLP over time.



I just IGNORE all that rhetoric and do what I know works to sell and help myself from time to time to FOCUS along lines of thinking.


I have a lot of NLP stuff that I've downloaded over the years, but I haven't really gone through any of it. I was taught about NLP while in sales back in the 1980's by a couple of OLD Insurance and Direct Mail Marketers.


My advice to anyone studying and practicing it is to keep what you're doing to yourself when dealing with either friends or clients. (Some family members as well. LOL) People who've heard of it but don't really understand it remind of when people use be afraid of Witchcraft!!!!


ROFLMAO!!!!!



Oh, one other little quick basic tid bit for marketing or ourselves really.

They've found that it takes the brain 33% longer to process a negative word. So the brain will have a tendency to just IGNORE the negative word.


Example: You tell yourself, "I'm NOT going to have a cigarette." Then within seconds you want one twice as badly.

Or

Your up on the tee box and tell yourself, "I'm NOT going to hit it into that lake." Then you proceed to hit the ball right smack dab into the MIDDLE of the lake!!


IN each case your subconscious mind heard:

I'm going to have a cigarette.

and

I'm going to hit the ball into that lake.


So your subconscious put those phrases into action since they didn't process the negative.


I learned this back in the Marine Corp from a Pilot who was taking a psychology class.


The whole round he kept saying OUT LOUD before each tee shot, "I'm NOT going to hit it down the CENTER of the fairway." He did this the whole round and hit every single fairway. It was after the round that asked him about it and he explained the 33% longer to process a negative word thing.
 
It's an interesting practice. Take a read of 'The Art of Human Hacking' it is touched on there, pretty comprehensively.
 
An NLP thread turns up once in a while, it's been discussed here a bit I think.

I tried reading Frogs Into Princes but it was too academic for me at the time (unless I'm confusing that book with something else)...Plus it was written in the 70s IIRC - isn't there anything better on the subject that isn't as dated.
 
Here's an example of the Fear/Witchcraft reference I made in my previous post.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLn3pYV6kVE"]Mind Control - NLP - YouTube[/ame]



Then this one shows what you want to do with Marketing.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Dt-fdqrd3Q"]Derren Brown Hypnotizes Simon Pegg - Learn NLP HQ HD - YouTube[/ame]




A new definition of NLP it would seem.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWBvdZa_Nno"]NLP - How to Control a Girl's Mind - YouTube[/ame]
 
The whole round he kept saying OUT LOUD before each tee shot, "I'm NOT going to hit it down the CENTER of the fairway." He did this the whole round and hit every single fairway. It was after the round that asked him about it and he explained the 33% longer to process a negative word thing.

Why not just leave the "NOT" out there? Since it's ignored anyways
 
Why not just leave the "NOT" out there? Since it's ignored anyways


That seems logical on the surface, but the "not" can be used as a type of Mental Miltonian Handshake Interrupt that actually gets you even more focused on the message being thought of.

Hence the increased desire for that which you do NOT want to do. Or the Pilot actually hitting every damn fairway that day.


The negative word is not totally ignored it just takes longer to process and this INTERRUPTS the mind's natural flow of processing the information before it. So, without some other distraction it just puts together the words it saw before and after it so that it makes sense. The brain also does this with vision. Or Anhoter Emaxple Wuold Be Tihs Setence Taht you can Raed jsut fine Corecrt?

(I know I said IGNORE in the previous post. That's a BAD habit of mine when doing quick explanations of the negative word effect.)


There are similarities from to mind to mind and there are also major differences. So, not all things work the exact same way on all people of course. But there are enough things (Words/Pictures/Sounds/Smells/Tactiles/Gestures) that cause a reasonably predicable affect that they are worth learning and putting into practice. Though they will not always work, they do work most of the time.


That's the best I can do to answer you for now. Desire & Time are lacking on my part to expound much further ATM. The hyperlink above is a good place to start a journey of learning about NLP.


NLP has SO MANY different meanings out there now days that I sometimes wonder if I should STOP using the term altogether anymore.
 
Midas, Derren uses misdirection and sleight of hand in 99% of his tricks. The talk about NLP and psychology is just a distraction for a usually pretty simple magic trick.
 
I got a copy of Frogs into Princes and I can't wait to read it. Yeah!

Read a NLP book that was published by Harper Collins back in teh day, that one sucked.
 
For something newer on the subject check out Maxpersuasion.com Kenrick Cleveland is a Master and has been teaching NLP concepts for almost 40 years. His shit is pricier than some but worth it.
 
I got a copy of Frogs into Princes and I can't wait to read it. Yeah!

Read a NLP book that was published by Harper Collins back in teh day, that one sucked.


You can download a copy of NLP_Workbookr.pdf at this link DepositFiles I've only glanced through it, but it seems to cover the basics of what "I" was taught NLP is by my two mentors. The trick was to transfer this to SALES COPY.


This is for Lukep: http://www.pennypresslv.com/Obama's_Use_of_Hidden_Hypnosis_techniques_in_His_Speeches.pdf


Lulz
 
I have some Anthony Robbins stuff on mp3 that I listen to on my morning walks, that's about as close as I have gotten to NLP.
 
been thru all the tony robbins stuff & a few richard bandler programs.

what i found most useful was the perspective changes regarding time & size. its hard to image a problem that can't be effectively reframed in that regard.
 
Yaj NLP

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx7sl3jY8GA]Ross Jeffries: With Women, It's the Attitude That Counts - YouTube[/ame]
 
The thing you have to be careful about when talking about Tony Robbins and Richard Bandler is the very distinct difference.

Tony likes to use NLP as a tool in his large tool chest of techniques for changing perception and getting people to take action. On the other hand, Richard Bandler believes NLP is THE TOOL.

If I remember correctly, Tony learned NLP from Richard and then went out on his own.