Backordering domains?

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Dispel

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So I am dealing with this fucktard hosting company/registrar that trying to fuck me in the ass. Thats Mediaon.com/Karaboga (they register domains through Avantron).

I want to move my domains to another registrar.

But here's the problem: They sent me an invoice in September for domains that expire between September and as far forward as next February. A 6 month window. I emailed them complaining. They said they can't invoice each domain - they invoice 3 months at a time. How does that explain next Feb's domains being in there? ...
That invoice is for over 500 euros, btw.

I thought fuck that and tried to move that lot of the domains to Namecheap. But I then needed the EPP auth codes. Karaboga won't give them to me. They said something about a '3 month payment window for transfers' or some shit. Assuming that means domains cant expire in next 3 months. Their English is not the best.

Fine, I asked for an invoice for the domains that expire in those three months (that was a month ago now), not the ones expiring in February.

They again replied, 'you have an outstanding invoice, blah blah, if you don't want to renew them don't pay it, cant send you EPP codes til you pay the invoice"


Anyway. I am moving everything I have away from those retards.

And I want to move it without paying that invoice. I'd rather spend that money backordering my own domains then give it to those fuckwits.


Can someone tell me what my chances would be backordering my domains through GoDaddy's backorder service?? (Namecheap don't have one, unfortunately). Would rather avoid godaddy, if there's another good one let me know.

The domains are not anything hot. Just mostly low traffic exact match domains in various niches, some of them half decent. Doubt anyone is on the hunt for any of them.

I would not go so far as to pay for a proper drop catching service like enom.com etc, they tend to start at $60 per domain. Not worth it for most of these at this stage.


I am wondering if the registrar themselves (Avantron or karaboga) would take the aged domains for themselves and sell them through a partner drop catching company. It appears that most registrars do that now. Or if even my backorder would trigger them to do that, knowing someone seems to want them, heard this happens too.


So my options are:
1. pay the invoice and transfer fees (a year's rego)
2. try to backorder the domains through GoDaddy or equivalent
3. use a drop catching service

Any other options? (other then manually trying to re-register the second the domains expires over the next 6 months)

I am hoping to go with 2, so I can avoid 1.

btw, the domain price per year is 15 euros with Karaboga. Thats because their private registration is virtually untraceable, they ignore all complaints and enquiries etc, being in Turkey. But I don't need that for these domains anyway and its not worth the pain in the ass they have been.
 


ive used Godaddy and Pool.com backordering services. They both suck IMO.

I think your best bet is to just wait for the domains to drop and rereg them using one of the above sites. Its going to take a long time however. They dont become available the second they expire, usually gets dragged out a few months in weird "Hold" and "Pending Delete" status'.
 
yep, i know about the expiration process and how long it drags out.

problem is if the registrar catches the domains themselves and send them straight to auction to pocket the money for themselves, I'd be paying $60+ per domain (other than the crappy godaddy service which is $30 i think).
see the second last post here:
Back ordering domain through Namecheap?

It all depends on what registrar the name is registered with, this is because most of them have a partnership with a drop catching company that get exclusive rights for catching the domain name as it expires.

To find out the registrar the domain is with do a search at the whois

These days nearly all good deleting domains are caught by one of the 3 big drop catchers. NameJet, Snap names & Pool
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there is no info on who Avantron partners with, so i'd have to try with all three as well.

so I am wondering if someone can confirm if the above is true? should I expect my domains to get caught by the registrar and sent straight to auction?

i may have to bite the bullet and pay the rego. looks like the cheapest alternative in the long run. but I don't know much about domaining, hence my question.
 
If the domains are good at all, the registrar may just change the ownership over to itself when you don't renew, and then it may renew and park the domains for revenue. I would not assume that they'd drop into the open for anyone to grab.
 
I would go to the official Icann website and read the domain registers obligations. If there truly is 3 months before expiration then you should be able to move them. That is plenty of time.

If they still are not letting you move them make sure they are aware (in a nice little letter/email) that you'll be sharing your honest opinion of their service as a customer about them on ripoffreport.com, complants.com, scam.com, and so on. Say you do it with every company you work with or have experience with and social media is a powerful medium or something like that.

If they blow you off and you want the domains I would say just renew them and then transfer them to namecheap. Once complete, you told them what you were going to do so - slaughter them on the above websites. The above websites rank very well (put their biz name in the title and the domain.com in the title) and can kill a brand or company very quickly. It's a nightmare.

Change your addy in the whois slightly after the transfer.

If you let them expire you'll have to wait a good 90 days.
 
Whatever you do don't use GoDaddy. When it comes to backordering they're really in their thief-like element. They owe me several hundred from back ordering.
 
This is an old scam on the registrar's part and I've heard this story far too many times. Most good registrars will let you move a domain within 2 or 4 weeks of it's renewal date. They don't let you move too close to the expiry because I think the domain expiring during the transfer process can cause problems. 6 months? That's complete bullshit and you should file a complaint with ICANN. Have you read their terms and conditions? Also lol at not being able to invoice you for less than 3 months at a time. Seriously, that's pretty fucked up.

Don't try to use GoDaddy's backorder service. It hasn't worked well for years. When it does work, it's only for expiring domains with GoDaddy and only if they decide not to send them to their aftermarket auction.

I tend to agree with the previous advice. If you want to hold onto your domains you should just renew them otherwise the risk is far too great that you will lose them altogether.

If you really want to gamble with them, you'll want to use the likes of SnapNames.com, Namejet.com, Pool.com, Afternic.com, etc. etc. The more places you put your order in the better chance of securing the name. There are a lot of backorder services though, and it would be hard to cover all your bases.

Lesson here is don't use some fly by night registrar to look after your domain assets.
 
I've had good luck with GoDaddy's backordering service. I used it for two different domains and ended up getting both. However, these weren't great domains (a .net and a .org - both extact match keyword domains), so YMMV.

If these domains are at all valuable, I'd probably just pay to renew/transfer now rather than take any risk of losing them.
 
Fatbat said:
Oh yeah? How's that possible? Enlighten us.
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If they fail to capture domains the money is non refundable, but exists, as credit, ONLY for purchasing other domains on backorder. I forget exactly how much they owe me, I washed my hands of them and stopped dealing with them about 3-4 years ago.
 
Hello,

If you want to backorder your domains, you can order them from snapnames, namejet, pool and godaddy, to make sure you catch it 100%. but If your domain is expiring in Feb, you can simply complaint to ICANN, the link is Complaint Form, they will send you the auth code as long as you complaint.

William
 
Some schools of thought are, if you really want a domain, not to do a search on it nor backorder it because it draws attention to it. From that perspective, it seems like it could be a catch-22 depending on the name value.
 
if you really want these names, I wouldnt try to back order. renew and then transfer.
you will spend more using SnapNames.com, Namejet.com, Pool.com and GoDaddy.
for the names that are so so - let them expire and reregister.
 
Dispel said:
Thanks guys. I am taking this to ICANN.
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Taking this to ICANN is probably the best solution. I know a few marketers who tried out Godaddy's back ordering service and were very pleased with it. They got the domain they wanted and it didn't take forever for the process to be completed.

Best of luck to you.
 
Taking this to ICANN and tell them the whole story, I am pretty sure they will give you the auth code. you can backdoor on multi-backdoor services as backup.

Please keep us updated!
 
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