Bill Maher getting owned again.

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Last night.. This Greenwald guy owned him on 2 occasions, though it's only worth watching starting at 4:45, particularly near the end.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MB-itn_LJuM]Bill Maher Gets Owned by Glenn Greenwald Over Benghazi and Interventionism - May 10, 2013 - YouTube[/ame]
 


Bill Maher bothers me in the same way Jon Stewart bothers me, although Stewart is a hell of a lot funnier.

They both use "common sense" appeals to rationality as a defense for their extremist views on social issues, and the implicit message they are always promoting is that "if you don't agree that this is a reasonable idea, you don't understand common sense".

It's wickedly effective, and it almost shames people into leaning towards (modern) liberalism.

Maher just isn't as smart as Stewart, so he fails more often, and occasionally fucks up and has somebody on his show who is able to hand him his own ass.
 
They both use "common sense" appeals to rationality as a defense for their extremist views on social issues, and the implicit message they are always promoting is that "if you don't agree that this is a reasonable idea, you don't understand common sense".
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Not even trolling: why is this a bad thing? What is the alternative? I don't understand how one can defend any kind of view without rationality/logic being involved, so just wondering what you mean exactly.
 
Why did that black lady bring up slavery? It had absolutely nothing to do with the conversation.
 
EricVonDoobie said:
Not even trolling: why is this a bad thing? What is the alternative? I don't understand how one can defend any kind of view without rationality/logic being involved, so just wondering what you mean exactly.
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Have you never encountered a situation where the best course of action was counter-intuitive to what common sense would have you believe?

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about.
 
making your audience feel smarter like they have access to some special knowledge
that's how these people work
 
lol Maher vs. Greenwald is not a fair fight. Good grief. It's like me showing up drunk and climbing into the ring with a young Mike Tyson.

If you're Maher and intend to have Greenwald on your show, you don't square off. You tip your hat and buy him a drink. Otherwise, the best you can hope for is to minimize the damage.
 
'when govt. goes on air and says thing untrue that needs to be investigated'

WMDs anyone?
 
It's his show, in some incident's he will get owned, no one is perfect, but everyone respects him, especially if he has a show on HBO, not a lot of people last on HBO as long as he has.


His on my fav's
 
IceToEskimos said:
Bill Maher bothers me in the same way Jon Stewart bothers me, although Stewart is a hell of a lot funnier.

They both use "common sense" appeals to rationality as a defense for their extremist views on social issues, and the implicit message they are always promoting is that "if you don't agree that this is a reasonable idea, you don't understand common sense".

It's wickedly effective, and it almost shames people into leaning towards (modern) liberalism.

Maher just isn't as smart as Stewart, so he fails more often, and occasionally fucks up and has somebody on his show who is able to hand him his own ass.
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I really don't see Sterwart as being an extremist. It just appears that way because he's usually poking fun at the extreme right. Just because he attacks the insane right (example Michelle Bachman) doesn't make him an extremist. I've seen him call out Obama and other dems when they do stupid shit, which you rarely see Fox do with the right.



Veritas said:
It's his show, in some incident's he will get owned, no one is perfect, but everyone respects him, especially if he has a show on HBO, not a lot of people last on HBO as long as he has.


His on my fav's
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this. at least Maher didn't edit it out of his show, he kept it in and aired it.
 
IceToEskimos said:
their extremist views on social issues
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"Extremist" might not be the best word when 25-75% of the public probably agrees with their views on any given issue. With marijuana, for example, about 50% of the public wants it to be legal and about 50% think it should be illegal. Extremist views would be wanting the death penalty for marijuana users, or wanting it to be served as part of school lunch programs. Just sayin..

Maher just isn't as smart as Stewart, so he fails more often,
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I've only watched a full Maher show a few times, but from what I can gather he spends more minutes "debating" people, whereas most of Stewart's time behind a camera is spent reading off a teleprompter or conducting a regular interview. Sometimes Stewart will disagree and such during the interviews, but the point is that Maher goes to bat more often and if Stewart did the same he might "fail" the same or more.
 
Veritas said:
It's his show, in some incident's he will get owned, no one is perfect, but everyone respects him, especially if he has a show on HBO, not a lot of people last on HBO as long as he has.


His on my fav's
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Eh, let's not forget who owns HBO. The same company that owns CNN. Maher has been around on HBO for a good deal of time because he serves their leftist direction well.. He's just another pawn there to ensure the debate in politics sticks with either the left or right paradigm. His job is lefty. Bill O'Reilly's job is righty. Actually the republican comedic/talk show host equivalent to Maher is Dennis Miller.

Before I had much of a clue, I liked Maher. But now when I watch him, the leftist agenda he pushes so much for is unbearable to watch. Don't get me wrong though, the right is just as equally sickening.

It's just unfortunate that you're not going to find *any* mainstream host/show/series that will push anything other than right vs. left.
 
Here's a cool clip where JS talks about minimum wage.

Intro - Minimum Wage - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 06/21/06 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

He's portraying someone who believes it should be raised, and who also believes that raising the minimum wage would improve the lifestyles of the "lower strata" of society.

He implies that it's less than compassionate when the government declines to raise the wage floor, and insofar as labor is a commodity, he very clearly voices an opinion that the government should be more involved in regulating the price of commodity goods.

Now, if you want to argue about what the definition of "extreme" is, I suppose that's up for debate, but I doubt very many Americans would be interested in seeing an economy where the prices of consumer goods were fixed by the government, which is why it's so perplexing to me that they support ideas like minimum wage.

Again, it's the presentation of a tiny part of the issue as "common sense" that opens the door to all sorts of ridiculous bullshit, and I think it's worth noting that I fucking love Jon Stewart, and would buy him lunch any day of the week because I think he's funny as hell and very, very, smart.
 
EricVonDoobie said:
Just watched the video, didn't see anyone getting "owned." Saw 4 reasonably intelligent adults engaged in discourse + expressing their opinions. Seriously have no idea how Maher got owned here.
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The part just before 4:45 where the guy answers Maher's question and Maher says, "I'm bored of talking about this" with no refutation.

And the part at the end where Greenwald points out the hypocrisy of justifying interventionism based on religious inferiority/superiority, and also Maher's flawed thinking that Christianity is any less dangerous than other religions.
 
dreamache said:
The part just before 4:45 where the guy answers Maher's question and Maher says, "I'm bored of talking about this" with no refutation.

And the part at the end where Greenwald points out the hypocrisy of justifying interventionism based on religious inferiority/superiority, and also Maher's flawed thinking that Christianity is any less dangerous than other religions.
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Exactly.

"My irrational belief is better than yours therefore I get to blow your children into pieces with a clean conscience".

I really do despair sometimes.


Andrew Scherer said:
I face palmed... what a moron that woman.
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It always makes me worried how the crowd cheer these things so strongly. Is that indicative of the general public's opinion?
 
EricVonDoobie said:
Not even trolling: why is this a bad thing? What is the alternative? I don't understand how one can defend any kind of view without rationality/logic being involved, so just wondering what you mean exactly.
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Because rationality and common sense != logic, and the winds of rationality blow with the zeitgeist. The current paradigm is that there obvious is no higher power. Yet 200 years ago, it was pretty damn obvious that even if you didn't want to attach a name to it, there was some form of 'providence'. It all swings around and around.

However, Logic remains the same, as it's a process and not an opinion. It's not based in the human mind, but is used by the human mind. inb4 platonic realms and metaphysics.
 
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