Broke Networks

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So apparently after this last ASE, word has been going around that a lot networks owe a lot of money to affiliates by way of not being paid by the advertiser or whatever reason it might be (fraud). (Btw, you should have seen the downgrades in some of the network booths from last year to this year at ASE).

If you personally are owed money by a network and are having issues getting paid, I think the network needs to be outted. There's too much of this bullshit going on and if we don't know which networks have the capital to pay out and which don't, we're looking to get fucked eventually.

So go ahead, list the network.
 


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even big networks can crash...we dont know whats going on in the back stage,and it also can be related to the advertisers, even if its the easiest false claim they can make
for not paying. this games involves high amounts of money with no feelings involved.
you most of the time get your check from people you never see.
in the real world you can crush faces, here you can just crash few keyboards
 
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Until my death, I'm Banglades. I suggest you hold yo breath til ain't none left.

Aight, hold up hold up, stop the beat a minute! I got something to say...
 
You guys do realize there's a "people who don't pay" page on Facebook, right? Right now it seems to focus on networks outing advertisers who don't pay... maybe you should out some networks on there too.
 
I know it seems obvious, but affiliate marketing is a business no different than any other business, whether it be on-line or off-line. There will be companies with strong business practices that succeed and pay their bills month-after-month, year-after-year and never leave anyone hanging. There will be companies that have okay business practices and pay their bills no problem until some kind of trouble arises where their okay business practices just aren't strong enough. These companies slowly stretch out their payment speed and can eventually just stop paying. They'll never tip anyone off on their problems because they can't afford to stop doing business or they won't be able to pay any bills at all. Then there are the companies that have horrible business practices who don't last longer than a few months, leaving tons of people unpaid.

How can you really protect yourself when you aren't sure which category the network you are working with falls under?

You can look for threads like this, or look at places like the FaceBook group where people complain about companies that don't pay. There are a few problems with that. First, that information isn't always easy to find. There is no single repository of this kind of information and despite an apparent need, nobody has stepped up to formalize this kind of BBB styled site. Second, that information isn't always dependable. As we've seen in many threads here, often times the complainers are affiliates who have been booted for ToS violations, and with nobody vetting the complaints, it's difficult to tell what's real and what isn't. Lastly, this information often comes out after many people have been left unpaid. So if you are currently doing business with a company that'll be leaving people unpaid, you won't know you are going to get screwed until it's too late.

You can ask for faster payments. This is really just an illusion of protection, though. Once you are doing any sort of decent volume, you'll be on weekly payments anyway and your overall dollar-amount risk won't change. You might feel like you are safer, but what's the difference between losing a month at $1K or a week at $1K? Nothing, you are still out $1K. You might argue that you'll be less exposed, but if you stretch that out to 2 missed payments, it winds up the same: Losing $2K in 2 months or $2K in 2 weeks. You are still out the same. If a network is using poor business practices, doing weekly payments will only speed up the process of them going out-of-business.

So what should you do as an affiliate? You should be doing some research before you trust any of your traffic with a network. Think of the network as a bank. Would you deposit your money at a bank simply because their tellers "keep it real", or because the bank manager comped you a few lap dances? Probably not.

While this may be basic info for some of you, here are some things I'd research before working with a new business partner (be it network or merchant):
- How long has the company been in business
- Who are the principals and are there any negative hits on them from past business dealings
- Google the company and do some reading. Look for good things and how they've handled bad things
- Is their domain behind WHOIS protection? If so, that's a huge warning sign
- How/where are they hosted/tracking. A shared server setup or a free tracking system is a huge warning sign
- How serious are they about their terms and what kind of traffic they'll allow to be sent to their advertisers.

The last point is important. Typically, when a merchant refuses payment to a network, or when a merchant loses their ability to pay because of cash-flow, the bottom line problem is sketchy/fraudulent advertising. Any network/merchant that knowingly and willingly encourages fraudulent traffic to "make quota", etc. is just looking for trouble. If you run into a network/merchant that does this (and I know some exist), you might want to rethink your relationship with them, or keep a VERY close eye on the amounts they owe you.
 
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descent advice, but honestly, you just heard about shady networks from ASE? I met most of the other successful full time affiliates and most of them just stick to 5-7 networks, as so do I. If you think that all the "big dogs" are running 20 networks plus, your sadly misinformed. The reason, because most new networks, have the risk of not getting paid. Ads4dough was barely known, and honestly the only reason I joined, is because of the good word of mouth from this forum. If you have a question about a network, do a search here, or ask.

Slight HiJack: I was seeing a little Clickbooth hate at ASE, why is that?
 
Why don't we start using Dun & Bradstreet like most industries and professionals analyzing a company's credit?
 
So what should you do as an affiliate? You should be doing some research before you trust any of your traffic with a network. Think of the network as a bank. Would you deposit your money at a bank simply because their tellers "keep it real", or because the bank manager comped you a few lap dances? Probably not.

Sums it all! Period!