Can A Good Adwords CTR Improve Keyword QS?

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Just curious what everyone's experience with CTR improving QS was.

The reason for this is that i read somewhere in the past (cant remember now) that by starting a new campaign and focusing on improving its CTR can help drive your bids down in the long run. So losing money initially to build a better history is worth while.

My question is that does this still hold true for campaigns today even after the split of the QS score into KW, LP, and Load time? Currently my LP and load time are fine but the KW relevance is doing terrible for a specific kw i'm focusing on (4/10), despite the LP having solid relevance to it. Its CTR right now is about 2.8% (for search).

Given that these kws have no history with my account what so ever, would having a strong CTR beable to improve my KW QS (whether I alter the LP or not)?

Any replies and insight on this would be awesome

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Read this: What is 'Quality Score' and how is it calculated? - AdWords Help


While we continue to refine our Quality Score formulas for Google and the search network, the core components remain more or less the same:
  • The historical clickthrough rate (CTR) of the keyword and the matched ad on Google; note that CTR on the Google Network only ever impacts Quality Score on the Google Network—not on Google
  • Your account history, which is measured by the CTR of all the ads and keywords in your account
  • The historical CTR of the display URLs in the ad group
  • ...and a bunch more that's listed when you visit the actual Google page linked above
 
i'm aware of that, i guess what i meant to ask is that if there is anyone with experience regarding CTR and improving the kw relevance part of the QS cuz that's whats raping my score right now (as i'm sure it is with many others)
 
It's either the display URL you're using has gotten a bad CTR in one of your other ads in your account, or everyone that has used that keyword has performed badly in the past and you gotta prove them wrong (which you will if you keep around that CTR)/they have no data on it.

To see if it's #1, make a new adgroup with the same exact keyword and ad, but ONLY change the display URL to "about.com" and check your minimum bid and quality score right after. If it's a OK/Great quality score your display url has shitty history.

This could be a little off but it's correct in my experience.
 
Your kw QS should improve over time if you build up the CTR.

Your CTR of only 2.8% is too low if it has 'solid relevance' to the LP. You should be able to increase that CTR with some better ads for the keyword.

I shoot for 30% to 100% CTR on all my keywords and ads for search. Granted, many keywords will be hard to bring up that high but I always have plenty (one third or so) of keywords in my adgroups that have CTRs of 50% and 100%

In the entire adgroup, I start off new campaigns with a mix of QS ranging from 7 to 10. Then as CTR history builds, I see a raise in QS on the ones with lower scores (if they get enough click data).
 
Your kw QS should improve over time if you build up the CTR.

Your CTR of only 2.8% is too low if it has 'solid relevance' to the LP. You should be able to increase that CTR with some better ads for the keyword.

I shoot for 30% to 100% CTR on all my keywords and ads for search. Granted, many keywords will be hard to bring up that high but I always have plenty (one third or so) of keywords in my adgroups that have CTRs of 50% and 100%

In the entire adgroup, I start off new campaigns with a mix of QS ranging from 7 to 10. Then as CTR history builds, I see a raise in QS on the ones with lower scores (if they get enough click data).

You must be the only one advertising if you are pulling 50% - 100% CTR's on Adwords. I have awesome ads where I am one of only 3 others advertising that displays above the organic results and only pulling a 10% or so CTR (with highly targeted keywords and ad copy).
 
Your CTR of only 2.8% is too low if it has 'solid relevance' to the LP. You should be able to increase that CTR with some better ads for the keyword.

I shoot for 30% to 100% CTR on all my keywords and ads for search.

This is crazy talk. I've worked with dozens of different AdWords accounts in numerous industries over the years, and I've seen plenty of cases where 2.8% CTR ads/keywords achieved excellent quality scores. Yes, you can nearly always go higher than 2.8%, but that depends on the position you want to occupy, how much you want to pay, and the quality/quantity of competition. I suspect it may also depend on the intelligence of the searchers, too - a lot of people who know the difference between sponsored/organic listings skip right over the sponsored listings, lowering everyone's CTR in some areas.

Unless you're willing to pay to rank #1, 30-100% is not always going to be possible - especially if you do more than just exact match.

But yes, better CTR does improve quality score over time. I usually try to fix the ad copy first, but if necessary, doubling or tripling the bids for a little while seems to get the CTR to the point where CPC for a given position drops.
 
Your kw QS should improve over time if you build up the CTR.

Your CTR of only 2.8% is too low if it has 'solid relevance' to the LP. You should be able to increase that CTR with some better ads for the keyword.

I shoot for 30% to 100% CTR on all my keywords and ads for search. Granted, many keywords will be hard to bring up that high but I always have plenty (one third or so) of keywords in my adgroups that have CTRs of 50% and 100%

In the entire adgroup, I start off new campaigns with a mix of QS ranging from 7 to 10. Then as CTR history builds, I see a raise in QS on the ones with lower scores (if they get enough click data).

Fuck me..
1/3 at 50-100%...Damn ImagesandWords, do you get 1c bids with that kind of CTR?
 
Holy, how do you manage 30%+ CTR on the 1/3 of your campaigns Eskil. That's crazy, but believable. Averaging 15%-20% here on most of my campaigns and I thought that puts me towards the top of mark. But shit, you're CTR campaigns are killer. Props.
 
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Holy, how do you manage 30%+ CTR on the 1/3 of your campaigns Eskil. That's crazy, but believable. Averaging 15%-20% here on most of my campaigns and I thought that puts me towards the top of mark. But shit, you're CTR campaigns are killer. Props.

First let me make clear what I said and didn't say:

I did not say I get these numbers across one third of all my campaigns. :) And neither do I claim to have one third across all keywords in entire campaigns.

I was talking about my adgroups. And now keep in mind, that my adgroups are usually small. Sometimes 1-3 words, sometimes 5-10, sometimes a little more. But yes, I do get many with CTRs that high after an initial optimization period. If you guys want a screenshot, I'd be happy to provide it.

You must be the only one advertising if you are pulling 50% - 100% CTR's on Adwords. I have awesome ads where I am one of only 3 others advertising that displays above the organic results and only pulling a 10% or so CTR (with highly targeted keywords and ad copy).
No I am far from the only one advertising in these cases. These are terms with monthly search volume of 20k to 140k with like 10-15 competitors for most of the terms.
Assuming you have split-tested and optimized many variations of ads - a CTR of 10% might be the peak of what your ads can reach for that term. But...are you absolutely sure you couldn't push it to 11% or even 15%?

This is crazy talk.
It's really not.

I've worked with dozens of different AdWords accounts in numerous industries over the years, and I've seen plenty of cases where 2.8% CTR ads/keywords achieved excellent quality scores.
But of course! I never said he couldn't get an excellent QS with a low CTR. I said that by increasing his CTR over time - he should see his QS increase up from his current 4/10.

Yes, you can nearly always go higher than 2.8%, but that depends on the position you want to occupy, how much you want to pay, and the quality/quantity of competition. I suspect it may also depend on the intelligence of the searchers, too - a lot of people who know the difference between sponsored/organic listings skip right over the sponsored listings, lowering everyone's CTR in some areas.
Yes indeed.

Unless you're willing to pay to rank #1, 30-100% is not always going to be possible - especially if you do more than just exact match.
I never said it was always going to be possible. I said it is what I shoot for, and what I aim to reach with my most targeted ads/adgroups. Again - the majority of my keywords / ads do NOT get these kinds of high numbers however, a fair amount of them do.

30% - 100% CTR is almost unbelievable. Who are you, John Caples?
Lol.. no I don't claim to be a guru. I'm just very determined in my work to get the most bang for my ad buck. I never just throw a campaign up with a bunch of keywords slapped together in adgroups to see what will happen. I always spend serious time before launching a campaign on researching and understanding my ad audience. It's all about staying targeted all the way. Focus on WHO will be most likely to click on WHAT ad going to WHICH landing page with WHAT kind of content they expect to see.

Fuck me..
1/3 at 50-100%...Damn ImagesandWords, do you get 1c bids with that kind of CTR?
No I wish, haha. I do always start high with my bids though and slowly take them down to where they need to be. It can be a lot of work finding the sweet spot for many adgroups/keywords, but worth it.
 
Ah, alright. Either way quite impressive if you're even able to hit such CTR's every once in a while. Quite obvious that you probably did keep tight ad groups, I do the same; 1-2 keywords at max per group.
 
seems to be working, ctr is increasing as well, time to work on converting tho lol

thanks for all the insight on this thus far, keep em coming if u guys got more :D
 
This is a great thread, I've been putting up campaigns that go "wide" and struggling with CTR (most cased about 2-3%). Hard-to-impossible to keep track and optimize 100s of adgroups/LPs...

I guess a better way is to start with a list of high potential keywords, and aim at the T spots.

However in most niches the high potential keywords (with buying intent and traffic) usually are expensive.

Let's say I'm starting with a 2$ bid. Which is the lowest I can drive cpc to while staying on same T position?
 
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