Can a voluntaristic society succeed?

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Been thinking about the idea of a consensual voluntaristic society, and could it succeed? A non violent society where all interactions with government must be consensual and voluntary. Is this even possible? What about crime? Would it be possible to decriminalize all victimless crimes (the state can't be a victim)? How would this change crimes with victims?

Would people voluntarily pay in to cover social needs (roads, welfare,ect)? Is it even possible to have a non-violent .gov?
 


dmnEPC said:
This is where the idea gets mucky. If he is a criminal (has victims) society would decide the punishment. If he is not a criminal, what happens to him?
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what happens in your society to sociopaths who are not criminals?
 
The amount of fucked up people in the world, without authority, it would only make it worse.

Non violence with the wrong people will get you killed.
 
I should clarify I was reffering to a non violent .gov. People are always going to be violent, no stopping that.


Edit. People make up any .gov. /thread. Question answered
 
I don't know anyone (except the loons at C4SS) who think the West was ancap.

The closest thing to ancap in the western world was Iceland like 600 years ago or whatever.

It's irrelevant. If you have money, you can live almost any way you want in this world. You don't need to save humanity. You don't need to care about what everyone else thinks or does. You can just do what you want to do and have a good time.

Does a voluntary society make sense? Would it be efficient? I think it would be. But in lieu of that, I will take whatever I can get with cash.

Life is short. There is no guarantee you will get out of bed tomorrow. Trying to change the course of world events (if you even could) is a multi-generational project.
 
"The Truth Is You Are The Weak, And I am the Tyranny of Evil Men"

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guerilla said:
If you have money, you can live almost any way you want in this world. You don't need to save humanity. You don't need to care about what everyone else thinks or does. You can just do what you want to do and have a good time.
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Seriously though. This is how people without money think.

Dreaming about sitting around, jerking off, watching TV and playing WoW all day sounds a lot better than it actually is.

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It is true that you can be a selfish twat and look out for #1 till you're in the grave. That's generally what all societies call a leech and would like to get rid of. Of course, you can make contributions along the way, or perhaps your entire selfish motive included the most philanthropic thing ever in existence.

Of course, when establishing the moral/ethical value of a person's life, you can look at the intention, action, and the consequence. But anyone who has psychologically matured into adulthood knows that the most weight falls upon intention, but not solely.

Once you achieve the basics, then you go after monies for long-term security. Then you will find yourself thinking about things like "meaning, contribution, art" and things of a slightly abstract or transcendent nature, because you're a grown up. You've grown as you've achieved success in the system you live in. Talking about some OTHER system ain't gonna get you there unless you can conquer the one you're in and use it to propel things forward.

You can't just reject the reality you live in and log-out. You have to embrace and expand, transcend and include. THEN maybe you can talk about getting rid of some shit or starting something new.

Life is short. There is no guarantee you will get out of bed tomorrow. Trying to change the course of world events (if you even could) is a multi-generational project.
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For mere mortals, it takes several generations. But we've had some boss ass niggas on this planet who make this statement 100% null and void.

Sri Ramana Maharishi
Moses
Padmasambhava
Saint Teresa of Avila
San Juan De La Cruz
Guatama Buddha
Rumi
Plotinus
The Bearded Bodhidharma
Lady Tsogyal
Lao Tzu
Plato
Pythagorus
Baal Shem Tov
CCarter
Abraham Lincoln
Barack Hussein Obama (lol)
Bob Marley, even
John Lennon, even
Alan Watts
Timothy Leary

C'mon bruh.
 
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guerilla said:
I don't know anyone (except the loons at C4SS) who think the West was ancap.

The closest thing to ancap in the western world was Iceland like 600 years ago or whatever.

It's irrelevant. If you have money, you can live almost any way you want in this world. You don't need to save humanity. You don't need to care about what everyone else thinks or does. You can just do what you want to do and have a good time.

Does a voluntary society make sense? Would it be efficient? I think it would be. But in lieu of that, I will take whatever I can get with cash.

Life is short. There is no guarantee you will get out of bed tomorrow. Trying to change the course of world events (if you even could) is a multi-generational project.
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So if it takes to long, don't bothor? If enough people lived their lives in such a Way, would things not change? Living right, and treating your neighbors the way you want to be treated. Maybe that's all that's needed to change the world
 
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