Choosing a campaign to roll with - "converting well" or less saturated?

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In the last couple weeks I've gotten serious about "making some fuckin' money". I got with an affiliate network, grabbed a few decent domains, got some hosting, and I've been doing a lot of reading. I haven't read any ebooks and I don't intend on doing so - there seems to be enough info here alone if you dig deep enough...

So the biggest hurdle as a noob was gathering information. I get the concept now: (For the love of god correct me if I'm wrong here!) Get with a network, see what's converting well, throw down a landing page on a suitable domain, choose some keywords, run the ad and watch what happens. Adjust accordingly. Rinse and repeat until profitable then split test to desired conversion rate. Pump money into the fucker. Keep it running and fire up new campaigns.

Anyway, assuming my concept of the PPC game is correct, here is the part I'm missing: Should my choice of campaigns be based on high converting offers (per my account manager's info), or finding an offer that isn't completely saturated in the market, like anything acai for example - there are limitless ads for that shit on google and yahoo; it seems almost pointless to try to pull a chunk of the market on those items.
 


If you are just starting out I would recommend starting off with Facebook. PPC takes ALOT of money to find profitable campaigns and it is not something a beginner should attempt.

You should promote toolbar/gaming offers as they are relatively easy to promote for someone with a small budget.

http://www.wickedfire.com/affiliate-marketing/75793-example-facebook-campaign.html - Read this, absorb it, and apply the method the OP used. It is absolutely golden for pumping out profitable Facebook campaigns.

Once you start making some profit you can venture off into other traffic sources. Don't attempt PPC if losing large amounts of money makes you uncomfortable.
 
Allright I decided to give Facebook a try. I was weary of throwing cash that way given all the negative reviews I've read, but my first ad is now pending review :banana_sml:
 
k1114 said:
Allright I decided to give Facebook a try. I was weary of throwing cash that way given all the negative reviews I've read, but my first ad is now pending review :banana_sml:
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Dude, go to the BST section. There's somebody there selling 100 dollar vouchers for only 5 bucks! Did you already use a code for your FB account?
 
k1114 said:
Allright I decided to give Facebook a try. I was weary of throwing cash that way given all the negative reviews I've read, but my first ad is now pending review :banana_sml:
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You probably already know that the approval criteria is random and totally fucked, so just keep on submitting :)
 
AllBizNiz said:
Dude, go to the BST section. There's somebody there selling 100 dollar vouchers for only 5 bucks! Did you already use a code for your FB account?
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Yep, grabbed one for $5 last night and got it applied :)

pickledegg said:
You probably already know that the approval criteria is random and totally fucked, so just keep on submitting :)
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That's how it seems. First ad was denied, trying two more now. Seems that they don't approve/deny at night so hopefully will hear back by morning. The first ad I did was for a quiz thing with a cell phone submit (cell rebill lol) and the denied message seemed to indicate that I shouldn't resubmit that.

Still sketchy on the keywords things, doing two ads with an audience of nearly a million each (via cpm - limiting it to a few bucks right now) and then I'll revisit them as soon as I have some data to go off of. I understand that the audience is too big, but I'm lost with keywords at this point.
 
k1114 said:
That's how it seems. First ad was denied, trying two more now. Seems that they don't approve/deny at night so hopefully will hear back by morning. The first ad I did was for a quiz thing with a cell phone submit (cell rebill lol) and the denied message seemed to indicate that I shouldn't resubmit that.
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Facebook hates rebills, very unlikely they'll get approved. Best method would probably be cloaking the link. Or picking another offer.

Make sure you read their advertising policy.

k1114 said:
Still sketchy on the keywords things, doing two ads with an audience of nearly a million each (via cpm - limiting it to a few bucks right now) and then I'll revisit them as soon as I have some data to go off of. I understand that the audience is too big, but I'm lost with keywords at this point.
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Keywords in Facebook will target people who have it listed as an interest. So if someone says; Interests "Playing Halo", and the keyword you select is "Playing Halo" it will be shown to others with that in their profile.

Try splitting the same ad between different age groups to see which converts the most.
 
TheUltimate6 said:
Try splitting the same ad between different age groups to see which converts the most.
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I'm splitting male/female to start and i'll re-split the best of the two into age groups from there (assuming they even approve these things... still pending review :().

Didn't want to cloak anything right off the bat - afraid of getting canned and loosing my free $100 on that account.

edit: On top of that, what type of ads should I be looking for on FB? I'm only with one affiliate network so far, and it's almost 100% rebills.
 
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST

two more disapproved, both of which perfectly met the guidelines.
 
Stop trying to run rebills. Find something that isn't scammy, and work from there. What network are you working with? Try getting into Glispa, they don't do weekly payouts, even if you get volume. BUT, they've got enough offers that arn't rebills you'll do ok.

Alternatively, you can try games/toolbars with Neverblue, they've got all of IWON's shit.

Good luck
 
AYGJoe said:
Stop trying to run rebills. Find something that isn't scammy, and work from there. What network are you working with? Try getting into Glispa, they don't do weekly payouts, even if you get volume. BUT, they've got enough offers that arn't rebills you'll do ok.

Alternatively, you can try games/toolbars with Neverblue, they've got all of IWON's shit.

Good luck
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I haven't been promoting rebills at all through FB (aside from the first cell phone submit ad I tried). I did get two ads through today but they didn't perform well at all - I think I really need to get into the games and toolbars - seems more appropriate for FB.

Tried to get with neverblue, fuckers won't call me back for some reason. I'll try and call them tomorrow. I'll also look into Glispa.
 
By the way - fuck facebook. I've now had 25 disapproved ads and 2 approved (not counting any split testing). Only one (or two, one was questionable) of them violated the guidelines. I understand that facebook is a "resubmit over and over" game, but I am wasting tons of time just trying to get ads out there to start learning with. Additionally, split testing is a nightmare since it's random luck whether or not almost duplicate ads will be disapproved.

I'll see what Neverblue has in terms of facebook friendly campaigns (if I can get the approval bit sorted out), but overall I'm thinking of trying different platforms to learn with. I don't mind dumping a little cash to learn without wasting hours on dozens of rejected ads.
 
smaxor said:
This guy wrote a great post on this attitude/mentality the other day. Have a read.

Misinformation in affiliate marketing | CDF Networks
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I suppose that's the right mentality to have.

So just an update - I pulled my shit together and hit the ads harder than ever, passed the 100th ad mark (including split testing, most have been splits). Most of my ads have not been profitable, but I'm definitely learning a lot. Only a handful still running right now - going to hit the ads again tonight.
 
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