Cleaners WORTH more TO SOCIETY than bankers, SAYS THINKTHANK!!!!

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Cleaners worth more to society than bankers, says thinktank | Business | The Guardian
Hospital cleaners are worth more to society than City bankers, according to a report that shows many low-paid workers increase the wellbeing of the nation more than the high-flying and much better-paid financial-sector staff.

The New Economics Foundation said today that a study of the social impacts of several jobs revealed that City workers, advertising executives and tax advisers destroyed value, while hospital cleaners, childcare workers and staff in the waste-recycling industry gave much more to the country than they took out.

The thinktank said it had found a way to calculate how much someone should be paid in relation to the value they create through a series of measures including conventional economic returns, environmental impacts, and knock-on effects for jobs and wellbeing in society.

It said the report challenged the notion that high pay did not matter as long as poverty was eradicated. It argues that high pay is often generated by businesses that destroy other parts of the economy or fail to pay the full costs of their activities.

The report said tax accountants were the most destructive, laying waste to £47 of value for every £1 they created. Elite City bankers (earning £1m plus bonuses) destroy £7 of value for every £1 they create and advertising executives wreck £11 of value for every £1 they are paid.

On the other hand, the report judged that waste-recycling workers generated £12 for every £1 spent on their wages. Childcare workers create between £7 and £9.50 of value for every £1 of pay and hospital cleaners create more than £10 in value for every £1 they receive in pay.

The assessment by the Nef follows severe criticism from some institutional investors of the "value destruction" by many banks. The losses posted by some banks, including Royal Bank of Scotland and Halifax have wiped out more than 20 years of profits.

However, the study goes further than asking whether high wages are justified by a real economic benefit.

Investment bankers create value from the economic activity they facilitate: an increase in jobs in wholesale banking and tax contributions. But these are offset by the cost of the current crisis and the negative impact on the public finances.

In the case of advertising executives, the NEF calculates the cost to society of over-consumption. While the industry creates jobs, it also has severe and costly negative effects. The authors quote the economist JK Galbraith who argued that advertising created socially and environmentally wasteful "wants" where needs have already been met.
"We have calculated the costs to society of obesity, anxiety-related mental health problems and indebtedness.

"Then there are the substantial environmental costs from climate change and resource depletion. It is estimated that in rich countries such as the UK, the level of consumption is three times as much as the planet's environmental resources can sustain."

The study admits there are hospital cleaners and childcare workers that fail to provide a good service and can have a negative impact. However, the authors argue if they assume people are carrying out their duties and, in the case of childcare, allow parents to go out to work, then the benefits far outweigh any disadvantages.




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This article is an example of understanding demand but not understanding supply. Janitors might be needed more than investment bankers but there are far more people that could be janitors than bankers. I would bet almost any banker could become a competent janitor and none that could do the reverse--that's why bankers are paid more. All prices are determined by alternatives in a free market, including the price of labor.
 
But i'd bet most janitors can put together a more cogent study than ones like this typically coming out of think tanks. And think tank academics probably would find a way to fuck up the cleaning of sinks.

Using their same logic, aluminum foil is worth more than gold.
 
But i'd bet most janitors can put together a more cogent study than ones like this typically coming out of think tanks. And think tank academics probably would find a way to fuck up the cleaning of sinks.

Using their same logic, aluminum foil is worth more than gold.

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I love the fact that they blame advertisers for over-consumption, that's just like all those people blaming the fast food joints that they are overweight. However, it's a great spin to use in a campaign because you provide the perfect scapegoat for people's addiction to buying and they feel better about themselves, so they'll buy more lol
 
affiliate marketers are even worst than bankers, we land people on diabolic pages and sell them stuff they don't need, we then spend the money on italian cars and do our best to move the cash to offshore bank accounts. we take money that we don't deserve and make sure we don't give anything back from it to the economy. i love my job.
 
Yeah I don't understand the point about tax accountants either, presumably the authors consider the government to be better at creating value that individuals.

But what is being overlooked is the unique position that bankers have in the economy, and the extent to which that position is being abused. No entrepreneur or free-market advocate can possibly defend the investment banking industry in its current form.
 
I note that they declined to state how much value academics in thinktanks who create pointless studies add to society.


Regarding bankers - this does confirm what I suspected. It's not the amount they're paid that annoys me (they're welcome to it). It's the petulant whinging and threats to go elsewhere everytime someone threatens to apply some rules to them. If this report holds any truth, then they wouldn't be missed.
 
I note that they declined to state how much value academics in thinktanks who create pointless studies add to society.


Regarding bankers - this does confirm what I suspected. It's not the amount they're paid that annoys me (they're welcome to it). It's the petulant whinging and threats to go elsewhere everytime someone threatens to apply some rules to them. If this report holds any truth, then they wouldn't be missed.

Yeah thinktanks are about the stupidest thing in existence.