Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less
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stupid fucking petition. drill for more oil when we don't even need it. The solution to our oil dependency has been around for 30 fucking years...
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I'm not going to bust your balls about a petition. What I will say is we're fucked no matter what when it comes to energy. Greed is the only thing more powerful and destructive than a nuke.
[edit: I just realized how ironic it was for me to say that, then have a photo of Cheney as my avatar!]
I'm not going to bust your balls about a petition. What I will say is we're fucked no matter what when it comes to energy. Greed is the only thing more powerful and destructive than a nuke.
[edit: I just realized how ironic it was for me to say that, then have a photo of Cheney as my avatar!]
I know I speak for more than a few of us when I say I absolutely hate being the bitch country of the Saudis. Brazil has their shit together with their energy independence via homegrown ethanol fuel.
It pisses me off that we could produce more energy here at home but asshole liberals bitch and moan about some obscure land nobody will ever visit they want to keep in virgin status.
Hopefully, Americans will realize this pain when gas is 7 bucks a gallon and just say no to Barrack Osama ... er um oops, I mean Obama.
I think it's either sugar cane or sugar beets that the Brazilians use for Ethanol. We have like 40 ethanol plants here in South Dakota and they're now starting to hold off new plants due to a number of reasons.
I think Minnesota produces a pretty obscene amount of sugar beets. Why they can't convert that into a viable energy source is beyond me.
It all comes down to greed. Auto makers, feds, and oil/energy companies just love to deep ball the public and we're mostly powerless to stop the rape.
Just fucking drill in AK and the gulf and get prices back down. That's all we really need to do.
"As gas prices continue to increase, Congress continues to blame others while ignoring practical steps to stop the pain Americans are feeling at the pump. To lower gasoline prices and reduce our dependence on foreign oil, we need real solutions to our energy challenges."
Maybe there doing something about it now:
House votes to curb energy market speculators
Maybe there doing something about it now:
House votes to curb energy market speculators
Ethanol isn't feasible for the USA, we're too big (both population and land area) and use too much energy anyway. We're around 2x the population of Brazil, and use 20x the oil daily that they do (source: NationMaster - Oil Consumption > Thousand barrels daily (most recent) by country ). We'd need something to take on a larger scale.
Also look at the sizes of their cities with respect to the rest of the country. Sao Paolo's metro area includes 20,000,000 people. They all can get public transportation too. Rio's metro area is 11,714,000. Brasilia's metro area is 5mil+, and there are even more large cities. Driving happens a lot less there.
Also look at the sizes of their cities with respect to the rest of the country. Sao Paolo's metro area includes 20,000,000 people. They all can get public transportation too. Rio's metro area is 11,714,000. Brasilia's metro area is 5mil+, and there are even more large cities. Driving happens a lot less there.
Horseshit.
There's many sources of ethanol than just corn. We have the capacity to make a large percentage of our gasoline mix ethanol. Even if you get 20 miles less per tank, you still get a cleaner engine, cheaper gas, and a mostly renewable fuel. Sure it takes some processing, but so does oil. When compared to oil, ethanol has 6% of the environmental waste that oil production has. No matter what we do, there will be waste.
While ethanol isn't the end-all, it sure as heck replaces a good chunk of the oil in your tank.
Just wish my Tahoe was flex-fuel. Costs me $120 to fill er up!
The cost benefits of ethanol are negated by the mileage loss, so flex fuel on your tahoe wouldn't do a lot. It's not just a 20 mile loss, it's a 15-20% loss depending on the vehicle. Not only that, but why fuck with the food supply? Plus, ethanol is subsidized. So your taxes pay for it anyway. Lower taxes, let the best alternative come out instead of the government FORCING an alternative on us that isn't the best choice.
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15-20% is not accurate by a long shot. 93 octane (Premium) versus 110 octane (E85) is not 15-20%. It comes down to a total of 20 less miles, but you're reducing petrol usage by 85% or 10%, depending. Not only that, 110 octane makes for one clean engine.
Food supply is not affected, so says the Dept. of Agriculture and pretty much everyone who isn't a liberal talk show host. Same food demand as before, only now we're producing more corn, and the prices are still rising, so tell me who is going without corn?
Subsidized? Horseshit again. Crops are subsidized to an extent, but Ethanol is not. Ethanol producers receive TIF's perhaps, but are not subsidized. Poet and Verasun are two companies to look into if you're concerned about subsidies versus free market.
No one is forcing anything on you. I was just in Denver and a week later in Minneapolis. Each of the pumps I was at had 87 octane, 89 with 10% ethanol, and 93 octane. Only once did I see an E85. Forced? Not so.
Bottom line is ethanol takes a larger chunk (10%-85%) of petrol out of the car's tank, so even if you do lose 20 total miles per tank, it's still a LOT better than consuming the petrol that Ethanol replaced.
I personally would like to see a totally renewable fuel with zero emissions and low cost of production, but until we get there, Ethanol is our next best choice, even if there are drawbacks. Economists refer to this as "no such thing as a free lunch".
In the end, nothing is more of a drawback than using 100% Saudi petroleum in our cars.
Here's the scary part of all of this:
The Saudis' cost for producing a barrel of oil is $2. At the current price of $140/barrel they are turning around and effectively buying discounted stocks of American companies such as Citigroup for under 26 cents a share.
How much longer can this lopsided trade keep going before we've given our whole country away?
Damn corruption in politics will cause our lives as we know it to change for the worse, much sooner than later that's for sure.
The Saudis' cost for producing a barrel of oil is $2. At the current price of $140/barrel they are turning around and effectively buying discounted stocks of American companies such as Citigroup for under 26 cents a share.
How much longer can this lopsided trade keep going before we've given our whole country away?
Damn corruption in politics will cause our lives as we know it to change for the worse, much sooner than later that's for sure.
What a bunch fucking hyperbole. We have two oil men in the white house who have seen their friends in the industry make billions and you're calling Obama clever (well, not really) little names.
We have a dependency on oil first and foremost. Additional drilling does nothing to cure us of that. Cheap fuel leads to poor long term decision making. I absolutely agree that we need to have energy independence; however, we need to have a long term solution that does consider the environmental cost of burning fossil fuels. Additional drilling puts off a necessary shift in our energy producing / consumption behaviors.
Whah, motherfucking, whah... gas prices are high - drilling is the answer. First, there's no guarantee that additional drilling will lower prices - there is a guarantee that it will keep us sucking on the teet of the oil companies and it will stunt alternative fuel development / advancement.
AND IT'S LIBERALS THAT ARE THE PROBLEM?! Holy fuck. That's dense.
We're on our way to becoming 1990's Russia. For the most part, 100 million Americans need to drive to work to earn a living. Take that to $6-7 a gallon and you'll be finding folks who use welfare because working is too expensive. After a while, we'll really have a problem on our hands: Health, education, and social services will seriously suffer. Just sayin. Look at those in the W. Virginia backwoods, that's the rest of the country if we don't alleviate this gas price mess.
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