Dumb. Fucking. Country.

[scottspfd82]

Probably my favorite Ron Paul floor speech to date. From August 1st.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn1o2p9VBiw&feature=player_embedded]Congressman Ron Paul's Speech Against Iran Sanctions August 1, 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

He was right, the bill passed in record time with overwhelming support. Unfortunately he's right about everything else.

Supporting the State is supporting...

-Secret prisons.

-Torture.

-Kill Lists for US Citizens.

-Slaughtering Innocents.

-Bankrupting the country.

-Illegal searches.

-Military on the streets enforcing the police state with violence against their fellow citizens.

-Initiating immoral wars and creating new enemies who your children will be fighting for decades to come.

Paid for on our dime. How anyone can watch what these crooks do on a daily basis and not only fail to be shocked and appalled, but proudly support them in the process is completely beyond me.

INB4 "Ron Paul can't win". The value is in his message. He's great at explaining exactly how our Government is "serving" the people.

 

[Fiver]

The only way people are going to do something to protest this kind of stuff is to give them step by step directions on how to do so and show them how it will benefit them and their family.

Otherwise...they're back to watching American Idol.

 

[mikeshinobi]

Videos like this just make me angry because you know his words fall entirely on deaf ears.

"Haha okay thank you 'Ron Paul' (snicker) now who's ready to pass some more retarded legislation?!"

 

[ericchristopher]

what percentage of the voting age pop could find iran on the map? never mind name a city in iran.

i don't know that you can deliver news (real information) to the voting pop and sell them volvos at the same fucking time.

in b4 guerilla calls me a commi.

 

[scottspfd82]

The only way people are going to do something to protest this kind of stuff is to give them step by step directions on how to do so and show them how it will benefit them and their family.

I agree. The majority will be watching American Idol anyway. I'd guess 90%+ of the US population has no idea that this bill exists. I think the first step is to get people to wake up to what the State really stands for.

Videos like this just make me angry because you know his words fall entirely on deaf ears.

The House passed it 421-6. The Government being corrupt doesn't surprise me. What makes me angry is that while the State fucks us and the entire world in the ass on a daily basis, people not only accept it but praise them for it.

 

[MediaBuysEyez]

Interesting vid

Any evidence to support the kill lists for Americans? I'd like to read up on that more.

 

[Crynos]

Interesting vid

Any evidence to support the kill lists for Americans? I'd like to read up on that more.

This dude and his 16 year old son got droned and Obama has kill lists: Anwar al-Aulaqi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a lawsuit by a family member trying to remove them from targeted kill lists before the drone strike, so it's not like the government can even deny it.

Or do you mean beyond them?

 

[scottspfd82]

Any evidence to support the kill lists for Americans? I'd like to read up on that more.

Google it and pick your source. It's been all over the mainstream media. Here's a NY Times article on it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all

It's no secret and it's already happening. Here's an article about Abdel-Rahman Awlaki. He's 16. He was killed in an airstrike targeting his father, so were his friends. Him and his father are US citizens. They're required due process.

Two Awlaki teenage relatives killed in Yemen attack: family | Reuters

That's just one example we know about, there's no telling how many children, innocent civilians, US citizens, etc are killed daily in these attacks.

 

[MediaBuysEyez]

This dude and his 16 year old son got droned and Obama has kill lists: Anwar al-Aulaqi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was a lawsuit by a family member trying to remove them from targeted kill lists before the drone strike, so it's not like the government can even deny it.

Or do you mean beyond them?

Ahhh, forgot about that dude. That can't be the kind of guy RP had in mind when he was on the House Floor in that vid, right? I can see his argument about "if we kill Anwar-Al-Aulaqui the US can kill any other US citizen" though...

Not sure what to think about all that...

 

[MediaBuysEyez]

Google it and pick your source. It's been all over the mainstream media. Here's a NY Times article on it...

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/29/world/obamas-leadership-in-war-on-al-qaeda.html?pagewanted=all

It's no secret and it's already happening. Here's an article about Abdel-Rahman Awlaki. He's 16. He was killed in an airstrike targeting his father, so were his friends. Him and his father are US citizens. They're required due process.

Two Awlaki teenage relatives killed in Yemen attack: family | Reuters

That's just one example we know about, there's no telling how many children, innocent civilians, US citizens, etc are killed daily in these attacks.

Thanks for the links. I love how the "secret kill list" isn't so secret...

Did a little looking around the web and saw this, which is a timely Op Ed on point: Assassinations dodge due process | The Salt Lake Tribune

EDIT: There's some interesting comments in that SL Trib article...

 

[Crynos]

Ahhh, forgot about that dude. That can't be the kind of guy RP had in mind when he was on the House Floor in that vid, right? I can see his argument about "if we kill Anwar-Al-Aulaqui the US can kill any other US citizen" though...

Not sure what to think about all that...

What about the guys 16 year old (American citizen) son who was eating lunch with his friends and got droned?

If he was so obviously a criminal, why couldn't they bring formal charges against him? How many other Americans are on kill lists? And like you said, how long until more and more people get put on such a list for smaller and smaller reasons?

 

[dbm009]

What can you really do to educate the general population?

Most Amareicans will only have a brief History lesson on the way the government works. Once in Middle School and Once in H.S, along with a semester of Government or Econlmics.

From my experience, only about 20-30% of those students will actually be able to understand the concepts being taught and also find them interesting. The other 70% have a tougher time because they go home with questions. but get met with blank stares, conspiracy theories, or false information.

It would take years for the average American to draw any fundamental conclusions on what they should do and how they should do it. So, unfortunately, you end up with manipulation, private-interests, confusion etc... amongst the masses.

Just look at the many various responses to these politically based threads on this forum alone, and these are usually written by people who do care, are educated, and have some good observation/input that is worth reading and considering.

Trying to educate others about what is going on by KISS, is not very easy to do-especially when they go back to thier McDonalds, AirConditioned, Beer Guzzling, Stoner, American Idol, MW3- PRIORITIES.

 

[scottspfd82]

That can't be the kind of guy RP had in mind when he was on the House Floor in that vid, right?

I'd say he's concerned about the President believing he has the right under the NDAA to kill anyone, US citizen or not, who he deems a "suspected terrorist".

You could be deemed a "terrorist" for any reason at all, locked up indefinitely or assassinated along with your family.

They're rolling out drones to "protect" US skies. And most people are "okay" with it, depending on who you trust...

Poll: Americans OK with some domestic drones -- but not to catch speeders - U.S. News

Yeah, it sets a dangerous precedent that's a real cause for concern. Of course most people will label anyone who says that a "conspiracy nut" or "paranoid". And that's the problem. People not only love, but trust the Government. If you can learn anything from history it's never trust a Government.

 

[tygoldberg]

Think about this for a moment, if he was truly a threat i'm sure his plane wouldve crashed by now.

The powers that be are 20 steps ahead, they leave no stone unturned. They know how you'll react even before you do.


tl;dr Ron's here for people to think there's hope.

 

[scottspfd82]

Think about this for a moment, if he was truly a threat i'm sure his plane wouldve crashed by now.

You're probably right. And I think they know he's not a political threat. I don't think he's acting though, and I think his ideas are what they should really fear, but again, most people are complacent enough to ignore them.

As for Ron, he was outing Iran contra during the Reagan administration, accusing the CIA of drug running while it was happening, years before it was discovered to be true.

Fun watch here...

[ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCxDrfs4GtM"]Ron Paul on Morton Downey Jr. - 1988 - YouTube[/ame]

Look how loyally those people support the war on drugs.

He's criticized the Government for decades. He's gone after the FED for decades. He's been very open about his disdain of Government for decades. They may see him as a threat that's easily contained. But I don't think it's an act (if that's what you're getting at).

 

[Moxie]

I'd guess 90%+ of the US population has no idea that this bill exists.

I'd guess 99%+ of the people in the following photos have no idea that this bill exists :

 

[shindig]

In past wars we paid as we went. Now we just charge everything so nobody has to be inconvenienced. If people had to pay higher taxes during wars to fund them, people would be aware of the costs firsthand and likely only support wars of necessity.

inb4 higher taxes to balance budget is wrong.

 

[scottspfd82]

EDIT: There's some interesting comments in that SL Trib article...

I just went over there, and something else that's troubling is that the best solution the article offers is...

But if the United States is going to continue down the troubling road of state-sponsored assassination, Congress should, at the very least, require that a court play some role, as the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court does with the electronic surveillance of suspected foreign terrorists. Even minimal judicial oversight might make the president and his advisers think twice about whether an American citizen poses such an "imminent" danger that he must be executed without a trial.

So the solution is to just accept a Government who claims the authority to murder you for being a "suspected" ANYTHING as long as there's "some oversight"? Wrong answer, but that's what people read if they happen to even stumble across any article questioning the Government.

And the comments aren't surprising.

If someone is fighting us they are at war therefore they have no protection and if they are killed it is not a execution but part of the act of war.

1. No one we're "at war" with choose to be at war with us. If you believe in the state congress never authorized any of the conflicts we're involved in.

2. The article is about US citizens.

And then there's the arguments about it's a Democrat or Republican problem, etc. It's a Government problem. Government is violent by its very nature. And people cheer it on, support giving it even more perceived power to control and kill anyone it deems fit, including its own citizens, and when they have problems with it they think it's a "red" or "blue" problem. The state itself is the problem.

 

[scottspfd82]

inb4 higher taxes to balance budget is wrong.

Murder is wrong. Stealing is wrong. Taxation is the Government stealing from me to finance murder.

I don't know what the hell you're talking about with everything before that, but I just lost a little more faith in humanity, I don't have much left to spare.

 

[guerilla]

in b4 guerilla calls me a commi.

You're not a commie, but that shit you said about property the other day was miles below your intelligence.