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Democrats want to send out a second stimulus package and the republicans are resisting. What I don't understand how can the Democrats call it a stimulus package when it contained food stamp give outs??

How in the hell do they think that handing out food stamps and extending benifits for the unemployed will stimulate the economy? Our current congress really is out of this world. Have they ever even attended a economics class? fools!
 


What's the difference between giving some poor guy $300 in food stamps and $300 in cash?

At least with food stamps he's forced to buy food, as opposed to 20 inch rims.

Giving away free money is giving away free money is giving away free money.
 
subigo said:
What's the difference between giving some poor guy $300 in food stamps and $300 in cash?

At least with food stamps he's forced to buy food, as opposed to 20 inch rims.

Giving away free money is giving away free money is giving away free money.
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Which is exactly why our welfare system sucks ass. Those rims or food comes straight out of our pockets by either inflation or a straight tax increase.

... why can't people see past the democrats "good will" and realize it's simply about buying votes?
 
subigo said:
What's the difference between giving some poor guy $300 in food stamps and $300 in cash?

At least with food stamps he's forced to buy food, as opposed to 20 inch rims.

Giving away free money is giving away free money is giving away free money.
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It isn't free money. It's money that should never have left our pockets to begin with.
 
This kind of malfeasance really pisses me off. You're Democrats. Quit trying to act like you're all Robin Hoods. Robin Hood is portrayed as helping people without conditions. You're just trying to buy the last few votes you can scrape the bottom of the barrel for.
 
So when Bush sends out $300 checks to everyone, it's "economic stimulus".

When Democrats send out $300 checks they're "buying votes".

Funny how that works.

/Don't care, didn't get a check last time, won't get a check next time.
 
Only taxpayers got checks because we paid into the system. Dems want me to pay taxes so they can give it to the poor in the form of foodstamps. BTW, drug dealers take food stamps as well (usually at less than 5% of face value) so you tell me if this is wise use of my hard earned cash.
 
Come on, we're marketers, right? We should all know that there is no such thing as free money. "Free money" is the wrong mindset - it's not free, we paid for it. I can't tell you how many retarded friends I have that said, "lolz free monies" with the original stimulus check.
 
Yeah yeah, it's not free for those of us that pay taxes. But I know plenty of people that did get free money.

Example: My brother. Kid made $12,000 last year. Paid about $1,500 in taxes...

With all of the rebates and deductions for his kid, he ended up getting about $5k from the government so far this year. For him, that is "free" money.

Even though I paid for it.
 
Remember that corporate welfare socialism is still socialism. I didn't notice in your post any criticism of the GOP supporting massive corporate subsidies, corporate handouts, nationalization of the banking system,etc.

I have to admit I bought a lot of GOP bs when I was younger. But the reality is the GOP has only ever paid LIP SERVICE to limited government and free market economics- at least in my lifetime.

Being critical of social welfare programs ( while also immoral) really is a just a diversion and pretty much irrelevant when you have a massive welfare state supported by so-called conservatives, the military industrial complex, and so on.

The lady with 18 kids using food stamps is really small potatoes compared to the corruption and "crony capitalism" welfare programs supported by the government.

I don't support the welfare state at all, and even though its a case of "2 wrongs dont make a right", it's becoming a lot harder to become outraged at leftist social welfare in light of all the GOP has done to expand the government and welfare state. George Bush is about as fiscally conservative as Truman and that goes for the GOP as a whole for at least the last 8 years. The blew it big time , and blew a lot of political capital and goodwill from 1994. Now you get to pick which brand of socialist bullshit is "less bad" to a small degree.

Maybe at one point 20+ years ago the GOP has some legit claim to the party of small government and free market policies, but it hasnt in a long time. And I don't see that ever changing. They embraced socialism when leftwing interventionists grewup and became neocons and instilled this national greatness BIG government conservatism bullshit.
 
Great points John!

It's interesting that Bush and his kind wish to privatize social security while socializing big business.
 
subigo said:
So when Bush sends out $300 checks to everyone, it's "economic stimulus".
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I didn't agree with that "tax break" either

LotsOfZeros said:
BTW, drug dealers take food stamps as well (usually at less than 5% of face value) so you tell me if this is wise use of my hard earned cash.
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It was 50% 15 short years ago .... booming business now

subigo said:
My brother ... With all of the rebates and deductions for his kid .... made $12,000 last year.
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Give him a job @ zen6 ... 12k w/ a kid!!!! c'mon, help a brother out

JohnCJackson said:
... I didn't notice in your post any criticism of the GOP ... the GOP has only ever paid LIP SERVICE to limited government and free market economics ... so-called conservatives ... The lady with 18 kids using food stamps is really small potatoes compared to the corruption and "crony capitalism" welfare programs supported by the government. ...I don't support the welfare state at all ... Now you get to pick which brand of socialist bullshit is "less bad" to a small degree.
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I couldn't agree with you more on many points, the GOP should be harshly criticized. There is little conservative about the Republicans these days, at least at a fiscal level. I do think they are are "less bad" to a larger degree than you feel, however, we are voting for the lesser of 2 evils for sure.

The lady with 18 kids analogy is a bad one though. 1 person that is a drain on the economy through welfare is not nearly as taxing as corporate welfare ... however 1 million + of them is much worse. You have to look at the big picture

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^^^ What he said.
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I think John earned himself a troll with that post. Gunman, you should really read what he said again, there is nothing building up the left with that post. He's ultra conservative (so I read) ... which is a very good place to be.
 
You guys realize food stamps aren't actual stamps anymore, right? They only come on a little ebt credit card with the persons name on it. Around here, most stores check the ID of people using ebt cards.

Not too sure how drug dealers are taking food stamps for drugs these days. Let alone how it could be a "booming business".
 
subigo said:
You guys realize food stamps aren't actual stamps anymore, right? They only come on a little ebt credit card with the persons name on it. Around here, most stores check the ID of people using ebt cards.

Not too sure how drug dealers are taking food stamps for drugs these days. Let alone how it could be a "booming business".
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Reminds me of the classic Chewbacca defense. Doesn't make any sense but they state it as fact.

Fuck, for a group of people who really hate the poor, it dumbfounds me that they want to elect a man who will, in the end, make a far greater number of the middle class unable to support themselfs.

The McCain health plan would treat employer-paid health benefits as income that employees would have to pay taxes on.

“It means your employer is going to have to make an estimate on how much the employer is paying for health insurance on your behalf, and you are going to have to pay taxes on that money,” said Sherry Glied, an economist who chairs the Department of Health Policy and Management at Columbia University’s Mailman School of Public Health.


Ms. Glied is one of the four scholars who have just completed an independent joint study of the plan. Their findings are being published on the Web site of the policy journal, Health Affairs.
According to the study: “The McCain plan will force millions of Americans into the weakest segment of the private insurance system — the nongroup market — where cost-sharing is high, covered services are limited and people will lose access to benefits they have now.”
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/16/opinion/16herbert.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=mcCain%20+%20taxing%20insurance&st=cse&oref=slogin
 
erect said:
...I think John earned himself a troll with that post. Gunman, you should really read what he said again, there is nothing building up the left with that post. He's ultra conservative (so I read) ... which is a very good place to be.
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No shit. I don't normally support the left. I'm a libertarian. I'm only supporting Obama in the hopes that we won't have to deal with more of Bush III. I personally don't care for Obama. I just happen to despise McCain.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
No shit. I don't normally support the left. I'm a libertarian. I'm only supporting Obama in the hopes that we won't have to deal with more of Bush III. I personally don't care for Obama. I just happen to despise McCain.
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This actually surprises me given the debates we have had. Who knew? There are plenty of conservatives that hate Bush too. It doesn't necessarily mean Obama is the answer though.
 
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