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I read a lot of libertarian stuff, but there are some great sources for paleo-conservative and Taft Republican conservative thought out there.

One is Ron Paul's Campaign For Liberty site. It's pretty good for what it is (political action group), there is a lot of variety in the articles, and the free market view gets center stage. Some cons might not like the foreign policy or anti-big government views, but the economic articles are usually top notch.

Another one is Taki's Magazine. It is a paleocon site, features Buchanan and the Southern Avenger. It's anti-neocon but clearly right wing. A lot of really good writers on here.

Pat Buchanan's American Conservative. And The New American (John Birch Society Magazine) as well.

Just sharing.

If anyone has any interest in the libertarian sites I read, just ask and I will post some links.
 


Ron Paul has some good ideas but also some pretty crazy ones. He has been criticized heavily for having a pretty simplistic view of complex problems. Our political system is not one dictated by who we choose to lead us but is one that is dictated by the GOLDEN RULE which is "the man who has the gold makes the rules."
 
I'm not here to defend or discuss Ron Paul. This is not a post about mainstream neoconservatism. This is for real old school conservatives who are into rule of law, constitutional government, free markets etc. Back when people could tell the difference between conservatives and progressive liberals. People who are into charity, not welfare. Sound money, not corruption and debt.
 
I'll defend Ron Paul. Other than his stupid flip flopping on abortion, Ron Paul is arguably the smartest man in American politics.

What the heck do you think Ron Paul says is crazy?
 
Refrozen said:
A libertarian that thinks abortion is murder
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Uhm, there are a lot of pro-life libertarians. Fetuses, infants, children and teenagers are a big gray area in libertarian theory.

Refrozen said:
-AND- thinks it should be illegal?
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Well, a libertarian would see murder as a crime. But Paul's position has been pretty consistent that issues of life and death are not the purview of the federal government, and thus a process reserved for the states in the Constitution IIRC.

Refrozen said:
Unless there's a moral consensus, like there is with say, killing people who are born... the government shouldn't be playing moral mommy.
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Ron Paul is a pretty radical libertarian but I've listened to him speak on abortion, and a guy who has delivered 4,000 babies and witnessed late term abortions in the operating room, has a lot more credibility with me than just about everyone else.

I am not sure where I stand but Ron Paul does make a convincing libertarian argument against abortion, particularly late term abortion.
 
Abortion is such a non-topic that anyone who makes it their sole litmus test factor needs to be kicked in the face.

I'm more interested in how a candidate:

a) Will encourage entrepreneurs
b) Will bring jobs to the US
b) Will promote US interests at home and abroad
 
if there's one issue libertarians can't agree on, it's abortion. it's probably the most divisive issue in all of libertarianism.

but yet, it can make or break a candidate, sadly.
 
Well, my opinion about libertarian moral judgments stands. I think.

Children is the major difficult issue. In an ideal world, only non-retards would have kids, but in the real world, retards have way more kids than non-retards do, and the state almost needs to be involved in some cases... the extent and whatnot seems like too gray of a line to draw no matter what you say. Its shitty.
 
So we're completely screwing up the US for the children?

The problem, once the state gets involved in the displacement of children from a home, is where to draw the line. It's a very slippery slope, especially when you're doing it all "For the children."

Do you take the kids away after a parent has broken bones? Which bones? What if it could have been an accident?

After they've left bruises? How many bruises?

Have they hurt the child mentally? Do they discipline children different than you do? Does their discipline make you feel squeamish?

Do they let their child watch too much television? Do they let their child eat junk food?

Do they let their child stay up past 11 on a school night?

Can you guarantee that a child will be better off in state care? If you can't guarantee that, then what's an acceptable amount of child casualties for the state system to cause before they're shut down?

Sad as it may be, unless you put the parents in jail, perhaps it's best to keep the children in their home, despite potential abuse.

For me, I say (half-jokingly, "Fuck the children." We should be making decisions with potential long-term ramifications based on logic and careful thought, not emotion.
 
Ron Paul isn't even worth talking about - unless you want to waste your vote.

The cold reality is that in politics you need something called charisma, no matter how good your ideas are.
 
Mastermind said:
Ron Paul isn't even worth talking about - unless you want to waste your vote.
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That's nonsense. You can't waste your vote by voting outside the mainstream. Votes of dissent, and in the minority are what separates a democracy from a single party tyranny.

Mastermind said:
The cold reality is that in politics you need something called charisma, no matter how good your ideas are.
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Hitler, Stalin and Mao had a lot of charisma. People are always attracted to the superficial, and overlook ideas. That is why they buy Acai berries if Dr. Oz and Oprah are on the lander.

You might value the lowest common denominator as the vanguard of opinion, but intelligent people don't. Hell, even the politicians don't which is why the little guy gets screwed in every election, but he's optimistic and clueless enough to keep pulling the lever, like a casino junkie blowing his last roll of nickels on the slots.
 
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