Fuck California, and Fuck the Dems
- Thread starter Instrumentalist
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Well at least we were heard, didn't seem to affect the outcome. Fuck the Dems.
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this would be hilarious yet amazing to see
this would be hilarious yet amazing to see
Haha, wouldn't that be something. Hell, I'm for it at this point. San Diego represent.
The whole purpose of this tax was to remove the unfair tax advantage the lack of a sales tax gave to Amazon over brick-and-mortar retail stores. It means Amazon has to pay sales tax like everyone else who does business in the state. What is hard to understand here?
Amazon is just being a little whiny bitch and terminating innocent affiliates when they don't get their way.
As usual, idiot libertarians/conservatives don't have all the story/facts and just react to the news as they get it.
Amazon is just being a little whiny bitch and terminating innocent affiliates when they don't get their way.
As usual, idiot libertarians/conservatives don't have all the story/facts and just react to the news as they get it.
No, it's more like this. State governments want internet companies to pay sales tax in states where they have a meaningful physical presence. The issue at hand is whether or not affiliates count as a physical presence. Some people think they do count. To me, that just doesn't make sense.
While it is fair to say that affiliate websites serve as a sort-of store front for Amazon, these affiliate websites are displayed to anyone all over the world, and not just in California. To me, affiliate websites are more like advertising. Say I were to start an Adwords campaign for Amazon products, does that mean Amazon should collect sales tax because I live in California and started an Adwords campaign?
Taxation on interstate commerce is illegal. A loophole exists though that if a company has a presence in the state, then it doesn't have to be considered interstate.
Like Instrumentalist mentioned, California is saying that the affiliates themselves constitute a presence. By Amazon not having any affiliates (or warehouses) in California, they can continue to go on without paying taxes to California.
So California still doesn't get tax money from Amazon, but now in addition to that there is no Amazon affiliate money being pumped into the state.
California is already one of the highest taxed states in the country. Plus, unemployment is sky high. The sales tax is almost 10%! When you get about $50k in income, the marginal state income tax is also almost 10%.
The state is a complete rip off. The only people who benefit are gov't employees, public employee unions, illegal aliens, and teachers.
Everyone else, i.e., productive people, get the shaft. The schools are horrible, despite having the #2 highest paid teachers, and full of illegal aliens. The roads look like Al Queda bombed them.
LLC's cost $800 a year. Every year! If you compare the state now to back in the 80's, it has become a complete cesspool full of parasites. It used to be that the state had a lot going for it and awesome weather. Now all that's left is the awesome weather.
The state is a complete rip off. The only people who benefit are gov't employees, public employee unions, illegal aliens, and teachers.
Everyone else, i.e., productive people, get the shaft. The schools are horrible, despite having the #2 highest paid teachers, and full of illegal aliens. The roads look like Al Queda bombed them.
LLC's cost $800 a year. Every year! If you compare the state now to back in the 80's, it has become a complete cesspool full of parasites. It used to be that the state had a lot going for it and awesome weather. Now all that's left is the awesome weather.
i'm sorry yo -- california all day -- fuck middle america; Florida is okay.. (warmer climate definitely gives california a run for their money); but, the pacific coast.. come on..
too bad there's not enough room for everyone. california has to be the greatest state in america; no questions asked. period.
too bad there's not enough room for everyone. california has to be the greatest state in america; no questions asked. period.
Here's the thing about enforcing a sales-tax law on the Internet the way California is going about it: it's double (or more in some cases) taxation.
Any other good or service is only taxed once. If you're a supplier, you can use a business id and push the sales-tax on down the line to the physical retailer. In the end, the government is only suppose get paid once for an item being sold. This isn't the case here.
California is basically saying you [the affiliate] are an employee of the company, and thus your residence in the state gives Amazon a "store front". This allows them to tax Amazon for any sales in the state. That makes Amazon pay sales tax in their home state AND in California.
Not only that, but they are ALSO getting paid a percentage of your earned revenue since you happen to live in California.
It's basically the government wanting to squeeze as much money (even if it goes against the Constitution) out of people as possible to balance their budget instead of looking at the root causes and seeing that they would have plenty of extra money left over if they cut spending and killed redundant and useless programs.
Having said that, if the US adopted the fair tax and went to solely living off just sales tax, then I wouldn't care about them forcing companies to log and pay tax in whatever state and county someone bought something from you in since it'd put the money where it should be (in the local communities)
Any other good or service is only taxed once. If you're a supplier, you can use a business id and push the sales-tax on down the line to the physical retailer. In the end, the government is only suppose get paid once for an item being sold. This isn't the case here.
California is basically saying you [the affiliate] are an employee of the company, and thus your residence in the state gives Amazon a "store front". This allows them to tax Amazon for any sales in the state. That makes Amazon pay sales tax in their home state AND in California.
Not only that, but they are ALSO getting paid a percentage of your earned revenue since you happen to live in California.
It's basically the government wanting to squeeze as much money (even if it goes against the Constitution) out of people as possible to balance their budget instead of looking at the root causes and seeing that they would have plenty of extra money left over if they cut spending and killed redundant and useless programs.
Having said that, if the US adopted the fair tax and went to solely living off just sales tax, then I wouldn't care about them forcing companies to log and pay tax in whatever state and county someone bought something from you in since it'd put the money where it should be (in the local communities)
all these affiliate nexus tax laws are short sighted, and can easily be solved. We need a Federal sales tax for internet goods. That's it. Plain and simple. The only way to fix this is by doing that, and I dont see that happening any time soon.
Fuuuuuck that. I'd rather states try to pull their bullshit, then realize it doesn't work and retract the law. California will see a net loss on this.
Yeah, let's send even more money to the highly efficient federal government.
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How about we lower taxes in another state, and encourage companies like Amazon to move there. Then that state can collect taxes. That's the point of competition between the states. You libs have the stupidest ideas.