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Forum Name: Topics: Posts: Last Post: General: General Board Here we talk about how josh is gay and stupid Moderator: Josh Wilber: 2: 15: on Sept 7, 2006, 6:02pm by H8Josh in Who's Josh?
The Independent Gay Forum is an organization that sponsors a website featuring free access to articles and opinions penned by gay conservative moderate and libertarian writers The Independent Gay Forum grew out of dissatisfaction by some gays with the left liberal orthodoxy of the gay establishment Rise of the new gay right movement
In 1993 Bruce Bawer published his book A Place At The Table that criticized homophobic conservatives and gay rights activists who adopted a monolithic concept of gay identity and politics Bawer called for full inclusion of gays in mainstream society and criticized what he considered an unrepresentative but highly visible gay subculture that equated homosexuality with promiscuity hedonism political correctness or stereotypes like being effeminate or different in general In 1995 Andrew Sullivan published the book Virtually Normal Sullivan was a longtime critic of decadence in the gay community but the book also did something that Bawer did not do Sullivan criticized what he called the prohibitionist liberationist liberal and conservative approaches to gay rights in favor of a more classical liberal or libertarian approach In 1996 Bawer edited a collection of writings by mostly gay men and women titled Beyond Queer Challenging Gay Left Orthodoxy The authors including Sullivan Jonathan Rauch Stephen H Miller Paul Varnell and Norah Vincent covered a wide range of topics and did not have one political message Some authors were critical of how the gay rights movement was trying to achieve its goals some were critical of certain goals such as hate crime laws and others were critical of both the ends and the means These books became labeled in leftist gay circles as the manifesto of a new gay right though many of the authors in these books would dispute being labeled conservative The Independent Gay Forum became the major online gathering of writers who wanted to think and write beyond queer or beyond the left liberal orthodoxy that they felt dominated gay identity and politics Additional writers include philosopher John Corvino economist Deirdre McCloskey activist Richard Rosendall and columnist Jennifer Vanasco The constantly updated website includes hundreds of articles on a wide range of political and cultural topics marriage sex religion economics law politics activism books and gay identity It also includes the CultureWatch blog written by Miller Liberal criticism of the IGF
Critics of the Independent Gay Forum s writings tend to be drawn between a division between liberals and conservatives and a second division between conservatives and libertarians The Independent Gay Forum mission statement is to forge a new gay mainstream that is committed to the following principles The commitment of the Independent Gay Forum writers to conservative theories about 1 limited government 2 free markets and 3 personal responsibility prompted criticism from liberals who saw the Independent Gay Forum is being too closely aligned with the Republican Party and sharing a conservative philosophy that did not address liberal concerns about social justice and social responsibility IGF writers would often endorse conservative Republican theories about the Second Amendment welfare reform Social Security privatization abortion and the neo conservative theory about initiating military action in order to promote a freedom and democracy in certain nations such as Iraq Much of the criticism focuses on Miller and an assertion by liberals that he is too partisan for an organization with the word independent in its name For example Miller supported Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger s successful bid to become governor of California praising his socially liberal fiscally conservative philosophy Gay leftists were upset when he opposed former Vermont Governor Howard Dean s bid for governor who ran on a similar neoliberal philosophy In another case gay liberals also argued that the articles about the late former U S President Ronald Reagan were too partisan and tried to rewrite the Reagan Administration s policies on AIDS and gay rights Libertarian criticism of the IGF
Libertarians criticism of the IGF tends to be tied to a belief that the writers do not go far enough in advocating for reducing government regulations that limit citizens personal and economic life Yet a second source of criticism among libertarians is that the IGF writers do not advocate election law reforms that would allow the Libertarian Party to freely compete for votes in elections When Miller defended the work of gay Republicans by using an analogy of the benefits to the consumer that occur when there is more than one grocery store in a town The message was that gay voters like consumers would get a better deal with more competition for their support This angered many Libertarians as the grocery store analogy ignored the fact that government regulations as ballot access law make it hard for a third political party such as the Libertarian Party to compete for the support of gay citizens because they have to spend limited resources in order to obtain access on the general election ballot with a party affiliation Thus some libertarians felt that Miller should have been a better advocate for greater voter choice IGF response to the criticism
Miller responds to accusations of partisanship by accusing liberals of being too partisan He is often critical of the Washington based Human Rights Campaign in 2004 he criticized HRC for devoting most of its financial resources to defeating Republicans rather than statewide ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage of which 11 out of 11 passed on Nov 2 and for giving its uncritical support to Kerry/Edwards despite the fact that both men while supporting civil unions had endorsed state ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage Miller responds to Libertarians by asserting that they should work to create change within the Republican Party rather than pushing for election law reforms that would increase the level of voter choice The IGF message board
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Independent Gay Forum -
Writings, commentary and debate from libertarian, moderate, and classical liberal gay perspective.
Independent Gay Forum - About Us
About Us. Forging A Gay Mainstream. The Independent Gay Forum has been created by a group of gay writers, academics, attorneys, and activists who feel dissatisfied with the current level of discussion ...
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Gay Forum - free, anonymous and safe forum for gay men. ... Just because you're gay or gay-friendly doesn't mean you can't express your opinion or be yourself ...
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Gay Forum. Discuss gay issues and meet others in this gay community. Rainbow Power!Join the Hip ... You're not alone! Get advice and support from our Gay community on coming out of the closet
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Josh Sucks!!! - Home
Forum Name: Topics: Posts: Last Post: General: General Board Here we talk about how josh is gay and stupid Moderator: Josh Wilber: 2: 15: on Sept 7, 2006, 6:02pm by H8Josh in Who's Josh?
The Independent Gay Forum is an organization that sponsors a website featuring free access to articles and opinions penned by gay conservative moderate and libertarian writers The Independent Gay Forum grew out of dissatisfaction by some gays with the left liberal orthodoxy of the gay establishment Rise of the new gay right movement
In 1993 Bruce Bawer published his book A Place At The Table that criticized homophobic conservatives and gay rights activists who adopted a monolithic concept of gay identity and politics Bawer called for full inclusion of gays in mainstream society and criticized what he considered an unrepresentative but highly visible gay subculture that equated homosexuality with promiscuity hedonism political correctness or stereotypes like being effeminate or different in general In 1995 Andrew Sullivan published the book Virtually Normal Sullivan was a longtime critic of decadence in the gay community but the book also did something that Bawer did not do Sullivan criticized what he called the prohibitionist liberationist liberal and conservative approaches to gay rights in favor of a more classical liberal or libertarian approach In 1996 Bawer edited a collection of writings by mostly gay men and women titled Beyond Queer Challenging Gay Left Orthodoxy The authors including Sullivan Jonathan Rauch Stephen H Miller Paul Varnell and Norah Vincent covered a wide range of topics and did not have one political message Some authors were critical of how the gay rights movement was trying to achieve its goals some were critical of certain goals such as hate crime laws and others were critical of both the ends and the means These books became labeled in leftist gay circles as the manifesto of a new gay right though many of the authors in these books would dispute being labeled conservative The Independent Gay Forum became the major online gathering of writers who wanted to think and write beyond queer or beyond the left liberal orthodoxy that they felt dominated gay identity and politics Additional writers include philosopher John Corvino economist Deirdre McCloskey activist Richard Rosendall and columnist Jennifer Vanasco The constantly updated website includes hundreds of articles on a wide range of political and cultural topics marriage sex religion economics law politics activism books and gay identity It also includes the CultureWatch blog written by Miller Liberal criticism of the IGF
Critics of the Independent Gay Forum s writings tend to be drawn between a division between liberals and conservatives and a second division between conservatives and libertarians The Independent Gay Forum mission statement is to forge a new gay mainstream that is committed to the following principles The commitment of the Independent Gay Forum writers to conservative theories about 1 limited government 2 free markets and 3 personal responsibility prompted criticism from liberals who saw the Independent Gay Forum is being too closely aligned with the Republican Party and sharing a conservative philosophy that did not address liberal concerns about social justice and social responsibility IGF writers would often endorse conservative Republican theories about the Second Amendment welfare reform Social Security privatization abortion and the neo conservative theory about initiating military action in order to promote a freedom and democracy in certain nations such as Iraq Much of the criticism focuses on Miller and an assertion by liberals that he is too partisan for an organization with the word independent in its name For example Miller supported Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger s successful bid to become governor of California praising his socially liberal fiscally conservative philosophy Gay leftists were upset when he opposed former Vermont Governor Howard Dean s bid for governor who ran on a similar neoliberal philosophy In another case gay liberals also argued that the articles about the late former U S President Ronald Reagan were too partisan and tried to rewrite the Reagan Administration s policies on AIDS and gay rights Libertarian criticism of the IGF
Libertarians criticism of the IGF tends to be tied to a belief that the writers do not go far enough in advocating for reducing government regulations that limit citizens personal and economic life Yet a second source of criticism among libertarians is that the IGF writers do not advocate election law reforms that would allow the Libertarian Party to freely compete for votes in elections When Miller defended the work of gay Republicans by using an analogy of the benefits to the consumer that occur when there is more than one grocery store in a town The message was that gay voters like consumers would get a better deal with more competition for their support This angered many Libertarians as the grocery store analogy ignored the fact that government regulations as ballot access law make it hard for a third political party such as the Libertarian Party to compete for the support of gay citizens because they have to spend limited resources in order to obtain access on the general election ballot with a party affiliation Thus some libertarians felt that Miller should have been a better advocate for greater voter choice IGF response to the criticism
Miller responds to accusations of partisanship by accusing liberals of being too partisan He is often critical of the Washington based Human Rights Campaign in 2004 he criticized HRC for devoting most of its financial resources to defeating Republicans rather than statewide ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage of which 11 out of 11 passed on Nov 2 and for giving its uncritical support to Kerry/Edwards despite the fact that both men while supporting civil unions had endorsed state ballot initiatives to ban gay marriage Miller responds to Libertarians by asserting that they should work to create change within the Republican Party rather than pushing for election law reforms that would increase the level of voter choice The IGF message board
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