As a young growing network it is Important to define goals and to build the business there are tools such as buying traffic in blogs, doing trade shows, and yes giving back to affiliates even to the point that it cost the network money - all part of growth. So can i say that motive will always have a 5.50% referral? No, it's probably not going to be forever, but we will not take it away from those who join now and shaving and other shady practices just have never been part of our plan. So back to the goals I mention. My goal as a manager of a business is to build a loyal clients base, provide a value added service, create a rewarding work environment for my employees, do something I'm personally proud of, make my own decisions, and make lots of money - in that order. My goals and the goals of my company may be different from other networks and i suspect they are. There are a lot of networks and affiliate marketers out there who's goals is 1. to make as much money as possible any way they can. I understand the desire to make a ton of money,nothing wrong with that but at the expense of your affiliates, clients or customers? Tread carefully with networks who seem to have that persona. Get rich quick, make millions, take a look at the founders histories look at who they work with. When you look at the networks who do shave and screw over pubs they tend to have managers who are no strangers to shadiness. So bottom line look close at the network if they offer you a huge referral payout and huge prices, of course be cautious but first take a look at who runs the business and what there goals are - you can usually tell pretty quick the difference between the cream and the crap. I know i got off course, but i thought this turned into a good thread and i wanted to participate as much as possible.. Have a great weekend!