If you're white, you can't cast a #ICantBreathe - because TRIGGER!

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I got into a debate with my buddy on facebook (riveting, I know) who's studying for a PhD in sociology, because he said this:

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"I can't breathe" is from Eric Garner, the black guy who was choked and died, for selling untaxed cigarettes. Definitely a clear-cut case of police brutality.

After the exchange, tldr;, his position is this:

1. Your intent does not matter. Only how people perceive your intent is all that matters in society, and therefore, how you present yourself should be consistent not with your intentions, but how people *might* perceive you.

2. If you could conduct a survey, based on whether or not black people think "I can't breathe" worn by a white person is offensive, they would, by in large, find it offensive.

To #1, I say go ahead and ask me my intent if my tshirt offends you. I've worn a copblock shirt and a guy recently asked me about it at a gas station. Big fucking deal.

My main problem is with #2. How the fuck could showing solidarity by casting a #icantbreathe, ever, be considered offensive to a black person? Am I ridiculous in assuming (if you exclude your typical militant fringe % you find in any sample) that they (blacks) are going to feel a sense of appreciation?

Is this real life?
 


I think your SJW friend is an idiot. Pay attention Rusvik; these are the real SJWs. You could wear any shirt you damn please. It's a free society after all, and I totally agree with your opinion.
 
From that same conversation... (I'm Gary).. the two comments at the bottom were screenshots from my wife's phone, because I blocked him after that shit. Dude was in my wedding and I've known him since 1st grade. I can't associate with idiots like this though, christ..

The 2nd to the last response is his black female friend.

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Hahaha, the classic "You need to educate yourself" counter-argument (in the loosest sense of the word) that is utterly indicative of an imbecile who can't think for themselves. When they realize that they're lost, they retreat back to their logic-proof box and hide and sling out catchy phrases like that.

The point of the debate is to educate the other person.

Facebook arguments are always retarded but they're so exciting, I can't help myself regarding getting involved in them.

Pro-tip: Next time someone throws out the racism = power + privilege trope, ask them to mathematically prove it for you. Or just agree and say that rape/murdered = power + privilege, thus whites can't be murdered or raped.


On a side note, I want to meet the person/people who invented the idea of "white privilege". Absolutely fantastic piece of work. When you argue with terms that you've invented or modified for semantics purposes and force your opponent to work with those same terms, you're assured a crushing victory.


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PhD in sociology
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Ask him how diverse his shift crew at McDonald's is in a couple years
 
I learned a long time ago that most people are idiots and it's best to not engage them beyond a certain point. Even people who have credentials in highly technical things or are very skilled at a craft often seem to be competent at that one thing and a moron at everything else. Bobby Fischer was a chess genius but also a huge racist and holocaust denier. You have nothing to gain by posting to them on Facebook.

Gary plz
 
Offence is taken, not given. These fuckstains should learn that.

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I have no love for Bernie Sanders, but these people are fucking retarded.

Bernie Sanders - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While attending the University of Chicago, he was active in the Civil Rights Movement, and a student organizer for the Congress of Racial Equality and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee. In January 1962, Sanders led a rally at the University of Chicago administration building to protest university president George Wells Beadle's segregated campus housing policy. "We feel it is an intolerable situation, when Negro and white students of the university cannot live together in university owned apartments," Sanders said at the protest. Sanders then strode into the building, along with 32 other students and camped out outside the president’s office, performing the first civil rights sit-in in Chicago history. After weeks of sit-ins, Sanders and the other civil rights protesters pressured Beadle and the university to form a commission to investigate discrimination. Sanders also participated in the 1963 March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom. That same summer, Sanders was charged with resisting arrest during a demonstration against segregation in Chicago's public schools, and fined $25.
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They are a plague, but the best defense is to ignore them and wait for them eat each other, which they inevitable do.

Edit: These people are nothing but communists dressed in the clothes of "equality", they want everyone to be equal by destroying everything until we're only left with shit and everyone is equally fucked. Read The Fountain Head or Atlas Shrugged and realize its not longer fiction.
 
See what you did there, Gary? You reminded a black woman of how awful it is to have to be in her skin

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acidie said:
Edit: These people are nothing but communists dressed in the clothes of "equality", they want everyone to be equal by destroying everything until we're only left with shit and everyone is equally fucked. Read The Fountain Head or Atlas Shrugged and realize its not longer fiction.
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They're nothing but parasites.
 
He's already being racist at the very start. Only allowing blacks to wear a certain shirt is racist against everyone except black people.

The guy is a product of the State and a complete tool. He has revealed who he is in his very words. He's afraid to stand for what he truly believes in because he cares much more what other people think. But he doesn't even have anything to stand for because he clearly believes in the narrative fed to him by his masters.

And of course you are privileged because you are white Gary. You get to magically pull out the white privilege card everywhere you go and get free student loans, free car payments, free house payments and lots of other goodies that only whites can enjoy. Everything you've earned and worked towards was not the result of effort and work, but rather the result of the color of your skin. Everything people don't get is the result of them not being white.

Just another day hanging with planet earth earthlings.
 
Never argue with people about topics they're emotionally invested in.

Examples:

- telling a mother to control her children.*

- debating the merits of discrimination with a black person for whom every utterance of the word "black" connotes racism.

- arguing for gun rights with someone who has lost a child in a gun-related incident.

- asking a dog owner to put her dog on a leash if the animal is snarling and charging your own leashed pet.

- trying to reason with a woman who insists on equal pay without a basic understanding of employment economics.

It's unproductive.

You'll never convince an emotionally-involved person to abandon his/her position and adopt your own. You may as well tell a Klingon to have some table manners.






* Fun story: I was in a coffee shop a few years ago. A mother was there with her daughter (4 or 5 years old). The mother was glued to her phone. Her daughter was busy throwing one of her sandals across the joint. The sandal would sail across the tables, including mine, hitting some along the way. She'd then chase it down and throw it in the opposite direction. Over and over.

Other customers were staring at the child. Some were looking at the mother, probably wondering, like myself, whether she would finally put an end to the girl's shenanigans.

After about 10 minutes, I turned to the mother and said, "Maybe you should control your child." She gave me a look of disdain and said, "Mind your own business. Obviously, you don't have kids."

lol
 
Jake, I find that instead of suggesting that people maybe do things, I ask "Please don't do this, it is very annoying/whatever". It works wonders :)
 
JakeStratham said:
You'll never convince an emotionally-involved person to abandon his/her position and adopt your own. You may as well tell a Klingon to have some table manners.
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The thing about this guy, is he claims he would have once agreed with me. But upon his "scholarly" studies and "actually listening to black people", he has come to these conclusions. These bat-shit, insane conclusions, that he's going to be teaching students once he becomes a professor. Ugh.

This same guy was also once a Hare Krishna. He repeated these chants, "Hare Krishna Hare Krishna, Krishna Krishna Hare Hare" for hours, every day. He developed OCD, would take showers for hours, harm himself, etc.. In other words, when he becomes fixated on something, yeah, it goes into a whole other realm beyond emotionally-involved, if such a thing is possible.
 
mattseh said:
Jake, I find that instead of suggesting that people maybe do things, I ask "Please don't do this, it is very annoying/whatever". It works wonders :)
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These days, I go straight to the child. It's easier and less maintenance because it cuts out the middleman (the parent).

Case in point:

Awhile back, I was in another coffee shop. A little girl was bouncing her rubber ball far beyond her reach. It was going everywhere - underneath tables, into people's laps and even behind the bar where the baristas were making drinks.

Eventually, the ball plopped right into a book I was reading (good shot). The girl came up to me, not to apologize nor ask politely for her ball. She simply stuck her hand out.

Frankly, that wasn't a surprise. Parents who allow their kids to run amok are unlikely to reinforce good manners in them. I have low expectations of low-class people, so it wasn't a disappointment.

I handed the ball to her and said (sternly, but not unkindly) "Don't ever play with this ball around me again."

Problem solved. She never did.

The father was there. He didn't confront me. I couldn't tell if that was because of embarrassment, lack of caring or being a wallflower.

I didn't care.
 
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