Is John McCain pro life because of
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turbolapp - wtf are you talking about choice? What gives a woman the right to kill a living human just because it is not convenient for them to carry for 9 months? The fetus does not have a choice to live or die!
I guess it depends on when you think life starts, life has to start at conception because you start growing and developing. If the fetus is considered alive at 18 weeks or whenever it is what has changed? How can the law say that something that is developing into a human is not yet a human? the dumbest thing I have ever heard!
By the way I am an atheist, this is not a religious argument for me!
I guess it depends on when you think life starts, life has to start at conception because you start growing and developing. If the fetus is considered alive at 18 weeks or whenever it is what has changed? How can the law say that something that is developing into a human is not yet a human? the dumbest thing I have ever heard!
By the way I am an atheist, this is not a religious argument for me!
turbolapp - who's choice? (nobody bothered to ask the fetus) how is it even a choice? Murder or doing the right thing, there are many many many families that will raise the child.
Calling it a "choice" is bullshit! If the person did not want a child the person should have kept there legs shut (we are not discussing rape etc.) personal responsibility is a bitch hu!
I get pissed when women start talking about it being there body etc. If the pregnancy is not killing you then you are killing a living thing because it is not convenient for you.
Why does P.e.t.a. not get there nickers in a twist over humans being killed but they go ape shit over a chicken.
You can try and make it as simple as pro or anti choice, witch implies pro or anti freedom but we are not talking about hair color. Human life trumps everything else but when women start talking about there whohas all of a sudden murder is acceptable. Not sure how that works!
Calling it a "choice" is bullshit! If the person did not want a child the person should have kept there legs shut (we are not discussing rape etc.) personal responsibility is a bitch hu!
I get pissed when women start talking about it being there body etc. If the pregnancy is not killing you then you are killing a living thing because it is not convenient for you.
Why does P.e.t.a. not get there nickers in a twist over humans being killed but they go ape shit over a chicken.
You can try and make it as simple as pro or anti choice, witch implies pro or anti freedom but we are not talking about hair color. Human life trumps everything else but when women start talking about there whohas all of a sudden murder is acceptable. Not sure how that works!
That is not the only thing your bring into consideration when making the decision to abort. Some women or families are just not ready to raise a child. I would argue that the baby would be better off not being born if the alternative is to grow up in a financially screwed home, that is now even going to suffer even more financial problems because you just added another person to feed.
Yes, they could put it up for adoption after it's born. Yes, the fetus had no choice in its fate. Yes, they could have taken better birth control measures, etc, etc, etc.
My belief though is that the fetus at that point is no higher up than a bug or a mouse (they're alive, but we intentionally kill them all the time).
I'm pro abortion because sometimes it is necessary, but I do agree that alternatives should be sought out first.
I think George Carlin says it best. All these "pro-life" guys who are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands in Iraq and other wars are full of shit.
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He is - THE CACTUS!
Matt's got a really good point there.
Considering that a kid in a foster home is substantially more likely to suffer abuse that's going to screw them up in a very long term way, and potentially even worse abuse if they're born into the sort of situation that actually makes adopting them out a more desirable option than not... I would agree that not being born at all would be the best choice.
losser, I'd like to know what your stance on euthanasia is, as these two issues are usually linked, at least subconsciously, in people's minds.
If your life is one of terrible pain and anguish, surely the best option to a painless exit to it. By that logic, if your life is going to be a life of suffering, surely not being born at all would be best.
Considering that a kid in a foster home is substantially more likely to suffer abuse that's going to screw them up in a very long term way, and potentially even worse abuse if they're born into the sort of situation that actually makes adopting them out a more desirable option than not... I would agree that not being born at all would be the best choice.
losser, I'd like to know what your stance on euthanasia is, as these two issues are usually linked, at least subconsciously, in people's minds.
If your life is one of terrible pain and anguish, surely the best option to a painless exit to it. By that logic, if your life is going to be a life of suffering, surely not being born at all would be best.
WTF? first, if a person is responsible after getting knocked up they would spend the 9 months either finding a good family for the child or letting an agency do it for them. I was adopted at 3 days old. My birth mother was 17.
The notion that the child would go to foster care and thus there life would suck is complete bullshit. That is a 2nd grade argument. Shit, using your twisted logic we should not get out of bed or run the next ppc campaign cause something bad might happen.
The point about not killing the fetus is the human has a chance at life. I am not talking about extenuating situations here, (rape etc.) just abortion, cause you can.
As for the George Carlin argument, you and anyone else who agrees with that is an idiot. Terrorists want you dead. No negotiation, your way of life would be over. Your porn habit would be over, your right to be an idiot, gone!
What do I believe about euthanasia, if you are going to die a miserable death and you want to avoid it, avoid it.
The thing is, how do you know the unwanted child's life will suck? By that logic, don't let any more kids be born in 3rd world countries. Only let kids be born to parents with credit scores above 720. There is no promise to a good life!
There is an adoption system in this country that could handle the number of abortions performed every year.
The arguement is stupid that there life might suck so it is ok for them to die.
The notion that the child would go to foster care and thus there life would suck is complete bullshit. That is a 2nd grade argument. Shit, using your twisted logic we should not get out of bed or run the next ppc campaign cause something bad might happen.
The point about not killing the fetus is the human has a chance at life. I am not talking about extenuating situations here, (rape etc.) just abortion, cause you can.
As for the George Carlin argument, you and anyone else who agrees with that is an idiot. Terrorists want you dead. No negotiation, your way of life would be over. Your porn habit would be over, your right to be an idiot, gone!
What do I believe about euthanasia, if you are going to die a miserable death and you want to avoid it, avoid it.
The thing is, how do you know the unwanted child's life will suck? By that logic, don't let any more kids be born in 3rd world countries. Only let kids be born to parents with credit scores above 720. There is no promise to a good life!
There is an adoption system in this country that could handle the number of abortions performed every year.
The arguement is stupid that there life might suck so it is ok for them to die.
Looser.. for the record, I am pro-choice.
And yes, I do consider it a choice, as I also do not consider the mass of cells prior to three months as a "fetus" or a "human being" it is just a lump of tissue.
Basically the same as eating a chicken egg.
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And yes, I do consider it a choice, as I also do not consider the mass of cells prior to three months as a "fetus" or a "human being" it is just a lump of tissue.
Basically the same as eating a chicken egg.
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