Market leverage scam

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Market leverage is trying to scam me out of 100 or so sales. I was testing an offer with them for a few days(which was subbed through hydra - which is another story).

They are now saying every single one of my sales canceled before the rebill. This is on a per sale offer, not recurring. Either way, I know this is BS because I send these same sales to other sites and the companies have been extremely happy with them. I have been running this campaign for months now.

In fact, how could every single person cancel? I received several angry emails from customers stating they had not yet got the product (some 30 days later). Seams like they are trying to recoup losses from their shitty product shipping.

Just warning to anyone promoting them. I know it wasn't a lot of sales but it sure does piss me off when I waste time setting this up spending money on sales then they rip me off for 4k.
 


I haven't heard anything bad about Market Leverage. I actually live right down the road from them. It definitely comes as a shock to hear something like this, especially coming from a longtime member of WF. Well, Will, your welcome to come run that offer over on Express Revenue, I'm sure we can get it for you ;)
 
Would it be wrong to ask you which product are you having problems with?
This is good advice for noobs like me struggling to make a buck... imagine if I invest my first money into that and they screw me...
I wouldnt be able to make it back into the market.
 
Seoholic said:
Would it be wrong to ask you which product are you having problems with?
This is good advice for noobs like me struggling to make a buck... imagine if I invest my first money into that and they screw me...
I wouldnt be able to make it back into the market.
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BigWill puts all of his niches on his blog. It actually is very useful for noobs because he tells you what to avoid when he runs into problems like this.

Here is the post where he talks about this particular product -

Market Leverage Scam, Don't Get Fooled - BigWill's Blog
 
the only thing these guys seem to have going for them is sending bags of schwag to bloggers and hoping for them to blog about them. then they show up to conferences with this phonebooth looking thing with a big fan inside and lots of $1 bills inside that you're supposed to grab...like we're some poor retards who are willing to jump around like monkeys for a few dollars. in speaking with the reps they have there, it's fairly apparent they have no fucking clue whats going on in the industry. i mean...has anyone heard ANYTHING good about them that didnt come from some asshat like tyler cruz?
 
Helllo friend,

I no think market leverage a good network either. They seem to shave more then other. I try same offers on other networks which also on market leverage and the convert rate always much higher. Sometimes 3 or 4 times better.

That why I try avoid market leverage offer if available elsewhere or else they shave me into a bald Indian.

Good luck bros.
 
I know I'm a NOOB and all , but I've really liked ML over the past month. Alot of their offers have a higher CPA than others....I don't know about shaving, I've got a few decent campaigns running with them right now.
 
A higher payout doesn't necessarily mean anything. You might think it's better at first sight, but there's always a possibilty that they compensate the higher payout by shaving.

Get this, I recently went direct with an advertiser and I told them about the high payout I was getting a while ago (was lowered). The advertiser told me that he never ever paid even the network that CPA.

I had a closer look at my stats (should have done sooner), and it showed that there was a 30% discrepancy between the unique clicks I was sending and the clicks recorded by the affiliate network.

Those fuckers were shaving my clicks.

P.S. this does not relate directly to ML, I have never sent them any traffic.
 
jeanpaul1979 said:
A higher payout doesn't necessarily mean anything. You might think it's better at first sight, but there's always a possibilty that they compensate the higher payout by shaving.

Get this, I recently went direct with an advertiser and I told them about the high payout I was getting a while ago (was lowered). The advertiser told me that he never ever paid even the network that CPA.

I had a closer look at my stats (should have done sooner), and it showed that there was a 30% discrepancy between the unique clicks I was sending and the clicks recorded by the affiliate network.

Those fuckers were shaving my clicks.

P.S. this does not relate directly to ML, I have never sent them any traffic.
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Which is why you're always supposed to split-test offers between networks, and then compare their EPC, not payouts.

So MANY people compare payouts, instead of EPC.

P.S - This post isn't reffering to you, just the general audience.
 
Right, and to add to that, you should be checking the EPC of your OWN tracking system. When I looked at the stats in the network the EPC seemed good, because they reported 30% less clicks.
 
jeanpaul1979 said:
Right, and to add to that, you should be checking the EPC of your OWN tracking system. When I looked at the stats in the network the EPC seemed good, because they reported 30% less clicks.
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Shaving clicks in the hopes of shaving sales is the stupidest thing a network can do. At least with fucking with the tracking pixel, the affiliate can't prove his story, but not counting clicks is just retarded.
 
nickycakes said:
then they show up to conferences with this phonebooth looking thing with a big fan inside and lots of $1 bills inside that you're supposed to grab...like we're some poor retards who are willing to jump around like monkeys for a few dollars.
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didn't tyler cruz, shoemoney, and that fat fuck zac go in that thing?

wait, i dunno why i singled out zac, they're all fat.
 
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