mini-websites for Adsense + SE traffic?

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i am so bummed out, desperate and wanna cry. last week i got google-slapped and saw the cost of all my keywords skyrocket on one account while my second account using a friends card got booted. then my main sponsor for my facebook ads pulled their campaigns. today i saw a bunch of reversals for december so i didnt even really profit much last month. i'm sitting here writing this with literally nothing for my efforts, dead in the water for now. :(

it's all making me rethink how i'm going about affiliate marketing, that i shouldn't rely solely on paid search. its too costly and too iffy with everything beyond my control. i have to do something else.

do people still make mini websites for natural search traffic? i know that was popular a couple years ago but not sure if it still works and couldn't bear putting time into another failure. i'm not talking hardcore SEO where you need to constantly modify your page to beat out other people doing seo, but just getting natural search traffic through a sheer mass of pages. like creating a dozen crappy simple websites every day and at year end you have like a thousand indexed pages each getting a little traffic. 10-20 clicks per site, with lots of sites, and you command a lot of traffic.

that still work?
 


Diversify income...learn this and you'll be fine. You shouldn't have put all of your eggs in the PPC basket to begin with. Everyone should put at least some effort into creating a long term, organic search based income stream that is sustainable, whether it be from Adsense or something else. There's a lot of inherent risks in the PPC game. Losing your Adwords account, networks pulling the offers you're making money with, all sorts of shit.


There's no reason you can't create some mini sites and make money with Adsense, you'll just need to research and find good niches. I still make a lot of money each day with Adsense, but it's not my only income source. Start building now and make money!
 
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thanks efeezy. is it just teeny amounts per page or real money? curious to know if there's like a standard value per page or not.

i suppose there's an ebook out there that'll tell me but can trust that crap. any recommendations on where to learn?
 
Don't let it get you down. You gained valuable experience from the whole ordeal and learned the importance of diversification. Just grit your teeth, put your head down, and get back too it.

Adsense is still a moneymaker. I do 3k or so a month from adsense and it has been steady income for years. If you want to spend some time on it it's probably worth it. However, I'm not sure I like the mass-produced, crap sites idea. The few sites I have that run adsense were all made with decent content and get natural backlinks. I personally feel that if you put crap out there, you'll get crap returns.

You can still laser target keyphrases, just make sure you bring something of value to the niche.

Good luck and feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further.
 
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Don't let it get you down. You gained valuable experience from the whole ordeal and learned the importance of diversification. Just grit your teeth, put your head down, and get back too it.

Adsense is still a moneymaker. I do 3k or so a month from adsense and it has been steady income for years. If you want to spend some time on it it's probably worth it. However, I'm not sure I like the mass-produced, crap sites idea. The few sites I have that run adsense were all made with decent content and get natural backlinks. I personally feel that if you put crap out there, you'll get crap returns.

You can still laser target keyphrases, just make sure you bring something of value to the niche.

Good luck and feel free to PM me if you want to discuss this further.
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This is really good advice. I've built crap made for adsense sites before, and they never make any money. However, I have half a dozen really good sites that have excellent content and are of great use to the user. They make me around $9000 a month, so I'll take a few really good sites over a hundred bullshit MFA sites any day of the week. You sound like you have some skills to make it work, just find some niches and create something useful. The traffic and clicks will come.
 
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They make me around $9000 a month, so I'll take a few really good sites over a hundred bullshit MFA sites any day of the week.
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wow that's really tremendous! certainly gives me hope.

generally speaking, should these mini-sites be limited to a certain number of pages or just one page per domain? i presume i need a good keyword filled domain for each minisite. does google care if all my mini-sites are on the same server or does their ranking hit you for that?
 
efeezy said:
This is really good advice. I've built crap made for adsense sites before, and they never make any money. However, I have half a dozen really good sites that have excellent content and are of great use to the user. They make me around $9000 a month, so I'll take a few really good sites over a hundred bullshit MFA sites any day of the week. You sound like you have some skills to make it work, just find some niches and create something useful. The traffic and clicks will come.
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WOW Efreezy 9000 dollars a month in adsense from just a few sites. Would you care to share with us some about this?
 
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it's all making me rethink how i'm going about affiliate marketing, that i shouldn't rely solely on paid search. its too costly and too iffy with everything beyond my control. i have to do something else.
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Have you thought about other sources of traffic like display or FB or something? It's so much more freedom and you're not soley dependent on one company
 
My sites that do well have between 15-25 pages a piece They're very keyword rich and have #1 rankings for almost every keyword I went after. Each site averages 3000-5000 unique visitors per day and I have a 5.5% CTR. I have all of these sites on the same server, but split between a couple IP's.

Do some research and find a hot product or topic. See what kind of search volume it's main keywords are getting and check how much competition there is for those keywords. Once you've got that, get a good domain name with the keywords in it and start building content. Make your site unique with something useful to the visitor. Then start building links. Buy a social bookmarking package from Red_Virus in the Buy, Sell Trade section. Keep building links where ever you can and you'll start to see some results in the search engines. That's the best advice I can give you.

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WOW Efreezy 9000 dollars a month in adsense from just a few sites. Would you care to share with us some about this?
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This sounds like fucking Digital Point. Read what I said above and start doing exactly that. It's not instant gratification like PPC shit. You have to be in it for the duration. It will take months to see good results...but if you put in the work, you will make consistent money every day. I have sites that I've worked my ass of on, built good content, links from every damn place on the planet and just never was able to get good search results. That can be hard to handle sometimes. To put in that much work and not get the results your used to. But I learn a lot from each failure, and make sure I don't duplicate it on the next project.

I nothing but respect for the guys who are kicking ass with PPC, but finding a niche and doing successful SEO, grinding it out trying to get good SERP's is equally as challenging but can be much more sustainable over the long haul.
 
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I think what your talking about are niche-websites, they are websites using a basic HTML template, no fancy scripts like Wordpress, they are SEO-optimized templates, using H1/H2 tags wherever possible (Google loves these)

I've been trying to hunt down a decent pack of templates for this for a while, it's pretty good income source if of course you know what you are doing, but you are easily able to make a nice income off them. I'm following another topic, on another forum about how a member is trying to build 1000 of these websites before 2011.

Obviously you need to understand SEO and have a good background in keywords / keyword research, you'll also either need some start up capital, or be a good article writer who understands keyword density.
 
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My sites that do well have between 15-25 pages a piece They're very keyword rich and have #1 rankings for almost every keyword I went after. Each site averages 3000-5000 unique visitors per day and I have a 5.5% CTR. I have all of these sites on the same server, but split between a couple IP's.
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Nice! That's not too bad at all for getting free money.
 
efeezy said:
This is really good advice. I've built crap made for adsense sites before, and they never make any money. However, I have half a dozen really good sites that have excellent content and are of great use to the user. They make me around $9000 a month, so I'll take a few really good sites over a hundred bullshit MFA sites any day of the week. You sound like you have some skills to make it work, just find some niches and create something useful. The traffic and clicks will come.
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Are you managing content for your own sites or do you outsource articles / full website management?

I'd like to build some long term content sites but I have never managed to make a real plan and stick to it.
 
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Are you managing content for your own sites or do you outsource articles / full website management?

I'd like to build some long term content sites but I have never managed to make a real plan and stick to it.
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These sites are small, so I did most of the content myself. At this point, they're on autopilot. I'll still build some links to these sites now and again, but I probably only update anything on them once a month or so. I'm not resting on my laurels. These are small niches that I've been able to dominate. I know how much I need to do to keep my rankings.

Wordpress for everything, that's my credo. It's the easiest and most efficient platform, so I use it for 99% of my projects.
 
I strongly recommend you check out SEO Mike's Making money with Auction2Post plugin in the Newbie section. I was looking for something that would bring in natural search traffic to profit from, and the instructions in there worked a treat.
 
efeezy said:
My sites that do well have between 15-25 pages a piece They're very keyword rich and have #1 rankings for almost every keyword I went after. Each site averages 3000-5000 unique visitors per day and I have a 5.5% CTR. I have all of these sites on the same server, but split between a couple IP's.

Do some research and find a hot product or topic. See what kind of search volume it's main keywords are getting and check how much competition there is for those keywords. Once you've got that, get a good domain name with the keywords in it and start building content. Make your site unique with something useful to the visitor. Then start building links. Buy a social bookmarking package from Red_Virus in the Buy, Sell Trade section. Keep building links where ever you can and you'll start to see some results in the search engines. That's the best advice I can give you.



This sounds like fucking Digital Point. Read what I said above and start doing exactly that. It's not instant gratification like PPC shit. You have to be in it for the duration. It will take months to see good results...but if you put in the work, you will make consistent money every day. I have sites that I've worked my ass of on, built good content, links from every damn place on the planet and just never was able to get good search results. That can be hard to handle sometimes. To put in that much work and not get the results your used to. But I learn a lot from each failure, and make sure I don't duplicate it on the next project.

I nothing but respect for the guys who are kicking ass with PPC, but finding a niche and doing successful SEO, grinding it out trying to get good SERP's is equally as challenging but can be much more sustainable over the long haul.
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Hey thanks for that post I love you sig BTW the Big lebowski Rules!!!!!


It's also great to hear you use Wordpress as I agree it's the best platform to be using for SEO purposes and I have had the most success with it.

I have better CTR with Adsense using the WP theme Blue Sense how about you?

I understand everything you said and look forward to implementing it.Very Nice post. I usually build small WP sites, launch them, see where the sites are ranking and then build links and content from there. And I totally agree with not putting all your eggs in one basket as well. Thanks for the reply. Now it's time for me to GTFO
 
No problem. Nothing that I said is really any big secret, but it's the building blocks of how I do a project. I've used Bluesense in the past, but not for any of my current stuff. Just keep coming up with new ideas and then putting them into action. Some will work, some will be crap, but you'll learn from the failures and bank on the successes.
 
efeezy said:
This is really good advice. I've built crap made for adsense sites before, and they never make any money. However, I have half a dozen really good sites that have excellent content and are of great use to the user. They make me around $9000 a month, so I'll take a few really good sites over a hundred bullshit MFA sites any day of the week. You sound like you have some skills to make it work, just find some niches and create something useful. The traffic and clicks will come.
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Right. My main income comes from lead captures. But I make about $1k a month from Adsense. The bulk of it comes from content rich websites that are sort of general in nature, so it would be hard to target niche products.

Advertisers will site target you with higher paying ads if you have a quality site. I certainly refuse to sell links on that site because Adsense is the gift that keeps on giving.

I remember the days when I was happy to make $3 a day on Adsense and agreed with all of those Adsense is Dead people. Try to develop some decent content, test ad placements, and give it a few weeks or months to grow.

IMO adsense may not be the way to make the most money, but it is the easiest way to make some money.
 
I pushed my Adsense income from $550 a month to $1600 over a 5 month period. It is slow, but as mentioned once they are on auto-pilot you can work on new sites or new projects. Adsense is funding other projects of mine and that is the beauty of this type of business.

I do have Adsense sites with 300+ pages that make less money than sites with 10-15 pages in very tight niches. Once you identify how certain niches work, you can experiment with templates and ad placements and the use that knowledge to optimize across your sites. I am using a mix of Wordpress and plain html - depending on the niche. The WP sites also have Amazon integrated and it actually works quite well. Christmas season was rewarding ;).

So, start working a few niches. Not every site will take off. I use the "dead" ones for link wheels - that way the SEO work done on those at least is not completely wasted.
 
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