monetizing swine flu? you better cut that shit out.

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nevele

 
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tamiflu is making kids jump.
off buildings.

if you're fueling the hysteria, you're helping them off.
just sayin.

yes, I'm aware of the relative statistical insignificance that applies to the swine flu itself. you're still killing kids. yes you are.
 


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Excellent.. few idiots less to deal with.. but there goes my future acai, asshole bleaching, colon cleansing etc. profits :(
 
obligatory evil marketing* awareness prodding post aside, the referenced askapatient link is one hell of an interesting read from all sides.
for your entertainment, it's sorted from lowest to highest rated experiences with the drug.

*no, this isn't another ethics thread. there is a difference between evil and ethical. the pharmaceutical industry is evil. sometimes unbelievably fucking evil. and now you know.
 
I bet more people have died from being anorexic than this and yet everyone still pushes diet pills,

Hell more people have killed themselves over World of Warcraft accounts.

If you are trying to monetize the swine flu well who cares. It is/was the media feeding the hysteria not affiliate marketing.
 
I've used Tamiflu before and had no side effects. It did what it said it would. The progress of my flu halted and I got better in 3 days.
I'd be running a temperature of 39.8C

Now here's the thing that shits me about the article you linked.
It mentions numbers of people dying... out of how many taking the drug in sum total? It fails to mention if they were on other medications at the time. It fails to mention if they were depressed or had a history of mental illness.
It fails to point out that in three years, in Japan, you have a metric fuck tonne more kids jump off the top of their school building because they didn't get into the university of their choice. In fact, it fails to mention that Japan has one of the highest rates of attempted suicide in the world (was sitting at #9 in 2005 according to WHO studies), particularly in the 16-24 age bracket.

Sounds to me like they're looking for a convenient scape goat in a country that regularly gets rocked by moral panics.

So, if you're marketing SwineFlu prevention masks or some shit, go to hell.
If you're helping market compounds that have been empirically tested and are ok for sale in countries like New Zealand (they have some really fucking high standards for allowing drugs to be used on the market), then you're doing greatest good for greatest number type shit. Hoo-fuckin-ra.
 
So, if you're marketing SwineFlu prevention masks or some shit, go to hell.

If you're helping market compounds that have been empirically tested and are ok for sale in countries like New Zealand (they have some really fucking high standards for allowing drugs to be used on the market), then you're doing greatest good for greatest number type shit. Hoo-fuckin-ra.

What's such a bad idea about Swine Flu prevention masks? It seems like a logical step if this ever were to turn into a pandemic. I personally would stay away from any sort of drug sales because unless you know the source and a lot of medical knowledge, you could really fuck people up. Anyway, don't you know that Swine flu patients automatically win a $500 visa gift card?
 
I've used Tamiflu before and had no side effects. It did what it said it would. The progress of my flu halted and I got better in 3 days.
I'd be running a temperature of 39.8C

Now here's the thing that shits me about the article you linked.
It mentions numbers of people dying... out of how many taking the drug in sum total? It fails to mention if they were on other medications at the time. It fails to mention if they were depressed or had a history of mental illness.
It fails to point out that in three years, in Japan, you have a metric fuck tonne more kids jump off the top of their school building because they didn't get into the university of their choice. In fact, it fails to mention that Japan has one of the highest rates of attempted suicide in the world (was sitting at #9 in 2005 according to WHO studies), particularly in the 16-24 age bracket.

Sounds to me like they're looking for a convenient scape goat in a country that regularly gets rocked by moral panics.

So, if you're marketing SwineFlu prevention masks or some shit, go to hell.
If you're helping market compounds that have been empirically tested and are ok for sale in countries like New Zealand (they have some really fucking high standards for allowing drugs to be used on the market), then you're doing greatest good for greatest number type shit. Hoo-fuckin-ra.

My mum was taking that champix for giving up smoking, she started getting really depressed and suicidal after being on it for a while, she's never been like that ever and she came good after a while when she stopped taking it, I looked that shit up on the net and it effects a lot of people like that.

Does not surprise me in the least that tamiflu has a similar effect on people with no history of depression etc etc, so to answer your question, NO these people probably weren't on any other meds or have a history of depression, My mum wasn't.
 
If you are trying to monetize the swine flu well who cares. It is/was the media feeding the hysteria not affiliate marketing.

got a website that hypes the swine flu?
you're the media. you're perpetuating the hysteria.
that's like saying hitler killed the jews first, so who cares about me shooting jon?

...maybe not exactly like it. but I'm sticking to that analogy.


Now here's the thing that shits me about the article you linked.
It mentions numbers of people dying... out of how many taking the drug in sum total? It fails to mention if they were on other medications at the time. It fails to mention if they were depressed or had a history of mental illness. It fails...

you're right. that article isn't the best example of what I'm trying to communicate here, only the latest.

dr. mercola might provide a better view:

On April 27, Time magazine published an article which discusses how dozens died and hundreds were injured from vaccines as a result of the 1976 swine flu fiasco, when the Ford administration attempted to use the infection of soldiers at Fort Dix as a pretext for a mass vaccination of the entire country.

My guess is that you can expect to see a lot of panic over this issue in the near future. But the key is to remain calm -- this isn't the first time the public has been warned about swine flu. The last time was in 1976, right before I entered medical school and I remember it very clearly. It resulted in the massive swine flu vaccine campaign.

Do you happen to recall the result of this massive campaign?

Within a few months, claims totaling $1.3 billion had been filed by victims who had suffered paralysis from the vaccine. The vaccine was also blamed for 25 deaths.

However, several hundred people developed crippling Guillain-Barré Syndrome after they were injected with the swine flu vaccine. Even healthy 20-year-olds ended up as paraplegics.

And the swine flu pandemic itself? It never materialized.
my issue is that this and recent 'abnormal behavior' (both in japan and elsewhere) is being caused by a drug that's bringing down hundreds of millions of dollars in a few months thanks to clever advertising strategies. and if it was for anything else, I wouldn't have a problem -- but tamiflu, among other popular(ized) pharmaceuticals, are generally useless gimmicks that harm far more than they help. thus, evil.

that's not to say all pharmaceuticals are useless. many are perfectly suited for treatment during emergencies or trauma.
but the industry (like so many others) has devolved into a disease treatment racket, instead of disease prevention.

profitability is assured by keeping people sick, or by threat of sickness.
if you're looking to maximize profit, this is good business practice.
but it's also evil. like pope evil.


So, if you're marketing SwineFlu prevention masks or some shit, go to hell.
If you're helping market compounds that have been empirically tested and are ok for sale in countries like New Zealand (they have some really fucking high standards for allowing drugs to be used on the market), then you're doing greatest good for greatest number type shit. Hoo-fuckin-ra.

the funny thing is, I have no problem with the idea of selling masks in response to manufactured panic.
this is untrue, but as it's morning my cognitive dissonance o'meter is pointing to bidniz mode.

and there's some really creative stuff out there that could be considered as an artistic contribution to humanity.
masks themselves, aside from the monetary hit (which falls to an ethical, not evil, argument), are harmless. no real problem.

but 'empirically tested' drugs are what most reach for when they hear about 'epidemics'.
and that's a whole nother wall of text. focus is this:

if you're making money off the fear of swine flu, you're essentially making money at the expense of others' health.
because of this you may be at risk of the following symptoms:

karmic loss, pain or swelling in the testicles, lumps or nodules in the testes whether painful or not, enlargement of the testes or change in the way a testicle feels, pain the lower abdomen, back, or groin areas, swelling of the scrotum or collection of fluid within the scrotum, and overall resemblance to human shit.

...just sayin.
 
Nevele: Point taken. The stuff you linked to was better.
I still thnk it's hysterical scapegoating on the part of the Japanese though. One of the highest suicide rates in the world, and I'd be willing to bet THE highest rate for jumping thanks to the lovely tall buildings.

XMCP:
Water should freeze at 0 degrees, not 25 :P

Sticks: Ummmm... Champix and Tamiflu are two totally different types of drugs.
Champix is designed to supplant the physical addiction for nicotine, which actually fucks around with your brain chemistry. Tamiflu prevents protein chains from reproducing and doesn't go anywhere near your brain.
So it's like comparing puppies and the colour purple.
 
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