"Monster" email submits?

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Recently, I talked to a few people who essentially have found a few "monster" email/zip submits. They were telling me that these email submits have been around for months, only scrub to a minor extent, and take in unlimited amounts of traffic. By unlimited, I mean there are people literally driving thousands upon thousands of leads a day to them. Now naturally, I would disregard this and think its nothing more than bullshit, however the people who were telling me about this have been good acquaintances with me for months. Naturally however, these acquaintances wouldn't tell me the network or the offers....

Does anyone know of any of these "monster" email submits? I know NB has a few (grocery, gas), but I doubt these are the ones being promoted; I've spoken with my AM and while these still good, the volumes are not that high for any affiliate. If anyone can shed some light on this or know of some of these offers it would be greatly appreciated. Also, if you'd rather not post here, feel free to hit me up on aim - ichliebewarcraft.

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kallell
 


Why? The bigger problem with submits is what kind of volume they handle, that's what kallell is getting at. I would take a reliable no-scrub submit with a lower EPC over a high EPC submit that's going to ass rape me after 150 leads any day.
 
Partyhat said:
Why? The bigger problem with submits is what kind of volume they handle, that's what kallell is getting at. I would take a reliable no-scrub submit with a lower EPC over a high EPC submit that's going to ass rape me after 150 leads any day.
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That's pretty much it. I've found some really good ones in the past getting epc's of .40 to .50 cents...however typically they are scrubbed down to .10-.15 epc after a day or two....
 
it's going to be on a publisher by publisher basis. They may have found a monster but that may be because the advertiser really likes that publishers traffic.
 
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exactly. No one is going to tell you. There are posts here on WF that are recent where people are doin over 20k gross (40-50% roi) on a single sub....
they are out there, but tough going.
Easier route is a more long term offer/cpa etc. I know cause I done a s-load of subs, with SEARCH traffic that was about as relative you can get, oniy to have my balls shaved.
 
If your traffic is converting for the advertiser any zip/email submit can become a "monster".

Almost all search traffic gets scrubbed. No matter how relevant your search traffic is, it doesn't convert nearly as much in the backend for the advertiser. I think email converts the best for the advertiser. Currently I am doing a media buy campaign (display ads) and I have a $0.50 EPC (200% ROI) with very little scrub.
 
I've never done 2-page submits but I know they're big. Does anyone do them? Do they get scrubbed as much too?
 
nice, but...

cardine said:
If your traffic is converting for the advertiser any zip/email submit can become a "monster".

Almost all search traffic gets scrubbed. No matter how relevant your search traffic is, it doesn't convert nearly as much in the backend for the advertiser. I think email converts the best for the advertiser. Currently I am doing a media buy campaign (display ads) and I have a $0.50 EPC (200% ROI) with very little scrub.
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Sounds like a site that is VERY relevant to the sub, or using a poll that is on topic with the site.
.50 epc is nice, but hard to imagine with any significant volume...:frenchman:
 
The campaign is making approximately $500/day in revenue now, and it has been doing that consistently for about a week. I am a day or two away from finishing a deal that will buy out all of the traffic from a site (that is almost identical in content to the 4 sites I am advertising on now) pushing 10x the volume of the total volume of the current sites I'm advertising on, and am talking to other large websites with similar content about doing similar buys. I've pushed over 2,500 leads at this point with no scrubbing, so I think I can fairly confidently say that my traffic is doing well for the advertiser.

It is not a poll, which provides shitty traffic for advertisers. I have tried doing polls before, and they usually get scrubbed very quickly. Also I am not doing search traffic, which also provides shitty traffic and gets scrubbed very quickly.

Any zip/email submit can perform well if it converts for the advertiser.
 
Congrats Cardine (god). Its good to see someone do well with subs. The reg path on an advertiser sub is tough sometimes, but imho search can target the demo more effectively than media buys (but ppc search costs are usually too high to be profitable on subs).
When people are visiting a site, they arent looking necessarily for something...like FB visitors, hence the lower ctrs than search. When they search for say, bananas, and you have an lp for a banana trial offer sub...the searcher should be more qualified for the reg path than some errant visitor on a site who clicks on a banner/image ad.
That being said, I am open to anything happening tho...Ive seen stranger things before..
As far as the advertiser- consider this-
YOU are the advertiser, and you have more pubs than you need.
What do you do? Scrub/shave of course. Why payout more $$$ than you have to?
Sure the leads convert well...but why pay more than you HAVE to. You pay only what you need to pay to keep the leads coming. I dont have advertiser experience with this, but ive sent 10,000's of leads for subs, that for 3 + months were fine...then, all fo a sudden, overnight, went to shit. Did my lead quality change? no.
And most advertisers have figured out they can scrub early on now..so they play games and entice pubs with strong roi for a bit to get them baited, then they slam them.
Many pubs keep running them with hopes of getting those sweet roi days..only to never see them return.
Then, a keen publisher might, say, get a new pub id from their AM...and voila.the same cycle starts again, with the SAME TRAFFIC.

And there are SOO many games the advertisers and networks play, its mind numbing sometimes.
 
Its the advertiser, not the network that matters, but MaxBounty has some of the best submits I've ever worked with.
 
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