Networks stealing money????!!!!???

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Vegashobo

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Just getting really frustrated here, gang :(

Was testing a few email submits/2 page submits. After driving in some traffic decided to test the offers : got 10 friends (different IPs ofcource) to fill out the offers - all real info btw, legit and everything,no bullshit. 1 offer payed out 2 times out of 10 , 4 more - somewhere between 30 and 70 %!!!!!

WTF!? This was supposed to be 100% CR! LOL :)

Question - do not ever deal with email/zip submits or 1st/2nd page submits generally coz they are junk or call the network in question up? Or maybe its the publisher himself?

What gives?
 


papajohn56 said:
scrubs, not shaves. shaving is downright stealing, scrubbing is due to poor lead quality.
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If the scrub isn't disclosed upfront, there's no difference IMO.

The only honest thing to do is to adjust their payout, instead of the advertiser just 'optimizing' their EPC via shaving/scrubbing/waxing/whatever you'd like to call it this week.
 
Just talk to your Aff manager, email/chat/phone. Tell him you tested an offer and it's not registering. Sometimes they lower down your scrubbing/shaving percentage.
 
I thought one of them (scrubibng/shaving) was on the network end, and the other was on the advertiser end.

It'd be great if we could get a clear definition out of this thread...
 
Sometimes the same offer will convert better or worse on a dif. network...even after like 10,000 clicks or w/e. And even over the same day. Iv'e called them out before, and low and behold...the conversion rate went up...? lol jerks!
 
The only honest thing to do is to adjust their payout, instead of the advertiser just 'optimizing' their EPC via shaving/scrubbing/waxing/whatever you'd like to call it this we
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What if the leads from, say, 10% of affiliates are total shit because of the black hat stuff they are doing. Should the other 90% of affiliates suffer from the lowered payout?
 
high risk said:
If the scrub isn't disclosed upfront, there's no difference IMO.

The only honest thing to do is to adjust their payout, instead of the advertiser just 'optimizing' their EPC via shaving/scrubbing/waxing/whatever you'd like to call it this week.
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Then it's a race to the bottom between the Advertiser and the fraudster. As long as the payout is greater than the cost of a fraudulent submission the fraudster will continue, so the advertiser would, in theory, continue to revise the payout down (eventually making the offer unprofitable for legit marketers in the process) until it is no longer profitable for the fraudster. In the end the advertiser is left with nobody to push the offer.
 
makethatgreen said:
I thought one of them (scrubibng/shaving) was on the network end, and the other was on the advertiser end.

It'd be great if we could get a clear definition out of this thread...
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Scrubbing - invalidating a lead because it does not meat quality guild lines. For example same person doing a submit style offer twice though the same advertiser.

Shaving - invalidating a valid lead. In essence pocketing the money from the lead.

Scrubbing most likely happens on the advertiser end, and shaving could happen on either.

I know no network would ever want to be accused of shaving but you god damn well know it's happened some where.
 
Rage9 said:
I know no network would ever want to be accused of shaving but you god damn well know it's happened some where.
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Example: PPC Coach's shitty network, Wotogepa

Ironically, the site encourages newbies to do email/zip submits offers, but their network shaves nearly 100% of all leads generated off those offers.
 
outofcoffee said:
Example: PPC Coach's shitty network, Wotogepa

Ironically, the site encourages newbies to do email/zip submits offers, but their network shaves nearly 100% of all leads generated off those offers.
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I can confirm this. Try it yourself and watch as they take all your money.
 
high risk said:
If the scrub isn't disclosed upfront, there's no difference IMO.

The only honest thing to do is to adjust their payout, instead of the advertiser just 'optimizing' their EPC via shaving/scrubbing/waxing/whatever you'd like to call it this week.
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Exactly, I wish this were an option for trusted publishers somehow. Probably not gonna happen though.


Scrubbing - invalidating a lead because it does not meat quality guild lines.
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OIC What's that for, like World of Warcraft?
 
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