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At the risk of getting meat spun multiple times I humbly kneel down to you ballaz. Please show me the way. I have some cash (about 9-10 G's) and I have no clue where to start? I've read nickycakes blog and so did everybody else. People kept telling me to just do something but do what? Please be specific you guys.

What are the chances of me getting spoonfed eh?

I ran across ppvplaybook's membership earlier, joined the forum and I couldn't decide what to do really, trafficvance rejected my app and Ryan Eagle's avatar is too intimidating so I stayed away from possibly the best aff. network ever.

:bowdown::female:

Please forgive me father for I have sinned.
 


clyde said:
Ryan Eagle's avatar is too intimidating
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...Scared money dont make no money...

On a serious note, try out some offers on self serve platforms, like facebook ads, myspace ads, etc. Sadly, people here don't like to spoon-feed newbie's, because they weren't spoon-fed in the first place.

If you just ask "teach me how to make money," then will only get ridiculed and insulted, but if you ask something specific - about an offer or a traffic source, you might get more serious responses.
 
Money to burn? I would: (consider it fast tracking school - you have money most don't, you'll learn fast or burn through your budget fast, either way you're in a good position to do good testing/scaling).

Research the niche, the keys/comps.

Pick an offer(s) then a network(s) (or viceversa).

Structure a nice set of LP's to split.

Put together a nice set of creatives, text + banners (adwords, facebook, direct, whateva).

Throw small sample size batches of traffic at the landers, see which converts - improve or continue to split while improving all of them.

Track EVERYTHING, tweak everything, from keys to creatives to landers to copy/graphics etc.

Repeat until you have profit, scale like a motherfucker when you find some.

Repeat.

**If you're looking to flip your money into more that's how most do it - or you can look into launching a product/service of your own and monetizing through your own affiliates..
 
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Hm, I've only had successes with launching my own products, micro niche adsense sites and coaching programs.

Best is to keep doing what is already making money?

It's just that the SEO route takes longer.. but I think I'm comfortable enough to just buy 400 domains and put up articles and wait for clicks to come in. I'll probably only make $200/day 3 months from now but passive income worth 10 times active income?

Thanks for all ya'll feedback, it's been helpful.
 
400 domains is a lot of domain names to select, a lot of CMSes to install, and a lot of hosting to accommodate.

Then you need content for 400 sites, and once you have it, you have to actually add it to the site. That is also resource consuming.

Lastly, you need to actually do some SEO. You will only get the longest of the long tail if you dont do any link building to those sites, so SEO x 400 sites, that is gunna cost you time and money.

Just because you have cash burning a hole in your pocket, doesn't mean you can (or should) spend your way past the school of hard knocks. The entire point of doing this is to get cashflow positive as quickly as possible. That is hard to do if you are investing thousands up front into an unproven network, with no network building skills or experience.
 
Mate get yourself on clickbank and cj and start doing some seo and ppc and you should see some sales. Remember bid on buying keywords and look for micro niches.
 
guerilla said:
400 domains is a lot of domain names to select, a lot of CMSes to install, and a lot of hosting to accommodate.

Then you need content for 400 sites, and once you have it, you have to actually add it to the site. That is also resource consuming.

Lastly, you need to actually do some SEO. You will only get the longest of the long tail if you dont do any link building to those sites, so SEO x 400 sites, that is gunna cost you time and money.

Just because you have cash burning a hole in your pocket, doesn't mean you can (or should) spend your way past the school of hard knocks. The entire point of doing this is to get cashflow positive as quickly as possible. That is hard to do if you are investing thousands up front into an unproven network, with no network building skills or experience.
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Well, my plan is to research niches that have 2-4 words keywords with low competition, buy exact match domains, slap some articles on Wordpress and leave them. Then I hire another VA to do UAW submissions, and wait 3 months.

I aim at getting 500 clicks per day. Since my Avg click pays 60c, 500 clicks should be about $300/day.

or is that too risky?
 
clyde said:
Well, my plan is to research niches that have 2-4 words keywords with low competition, buy exact match domains
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You and about 50,000 other SEOs.

clyde said:
slap some articles on Wordpress and leave them.
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Do you know how long it takes to setup 400 WP installs, and to post articles to them?

clyde said:
I aim at getting 500 clicks per day. Since my Avg click pays 60c, 500 clicks should be about $300/day.

or is that too risky?
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That's doable if your model is realistic. If you get a click to UV ratio (assume extremely effective adsense placement optimization) of 1:8, you need to generate 4000 UVs a day over 400 sites, or 100 visitors each.

Now it is starting to sound ambitious, as most 2-4 kw terms with low competition won't yield that many total searches (let alone UVs) daily.

For example. Let's assume #1 position in Google gets you 45% of the search traffic.

To get 80 UV a day (we will assume you will get 20 from Bing and Yahoo combined), you would need 400 kws with 5,000+ exact searches a month, with commercial intent (Adsense payouts of around $0.60 a click).

Again, doable. Likely? Hmmm ...
 
clyde said:
At the risk of getting meat spun multiple times I humbly kneel down to you ballaz. Please show me the way. I have some cash (about 9-10 G's) and I have no clue where to start? I've read nickycakes blog and so did everybody else. People kept telling me to just do something but do what? Please be specific you guys.

What are the chances of me getting spoonfed eh?

I ran across ppvplaybook's membership earlier, joined the forum and I couldn't decide what to do really, trafficvance rejected my app and Ryan Eagle's avatar is too intimidating so I stayed away from possibly the best aff. network ever.

:bowdown::female:

Please forgive me father for I have sinned.
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The first thing you need to do is figure out whom to listen to. A wise woman once said "the secret to good advice it to look at who's giving it to you". To begin with, you should probably right now start to pay attention to where you get your information. Don't just visit forums and blogs. If someone tells you "oh DigitalPoint or Warrior Forum suck" don't just make up your mind that someone on Wickedfire.com told you it's so so it has to be the truth. Learn to look for 3rd party validation of any "expert" as well...


Join some Linkedin.com groups. Go to offline chamber of commerce meetings. If you read an article in the Wall Street Journal or NY Times (you do read don't you?) about a successful business person who's mastered a particular system, track them down. Send the guy's secretary flowers for a whole month until you finally get him on the phone. This is just an example of course. The point is we live in a knowledge economy and the more you know the better you can execute....

Get hungry - real hungry...

For some more specific step by step deliverables consider this:
1) First you have to decide what you want in tangible terms (ex. "x")
2) Then you have to determine what systems or experts have been successful at achieving x
3) Then you have to study those systems and model them to achieve similar results

Here is an example. You might say:
"In 12 months time I want to be earning $120,000 a year in after tax income from my online business which only requires me to actively work 4 hours a day so that I can spend time with my significant other, hanging out, volunteering, etc. I am willing to invest $10k-$12K of my savings to meet this business objective and 4-8 hours a day in my own manual labor..."

The number doesn't matter - it could be 12k or 1.2M. The point is:
1) you have a measurable dollar amount
2) You have set a time frame
3) You've allocated some resources (i.e. the money+time you will invest)

Now you have something to work with. The following might sound cheesy but Aristotle once said "where the needs of the world and your talents meet, there lies your true profession....."

Do you want to make money online or do you want to generate online wealth? There's a big difference....

If you want to make money online, chances are you can latch on to any one of the myriad deals in one of the big markets (money/business, health and weight loss, relationships/dating) and even by nabbing some crumbs, you can have your 6 figure a year salary - which isn't bad given that it's 2x what the average American makes each year.

But if you want to generate online wealth (and God knows I wish I'd seen this earlier in my own career)....well then here is a piece of advice I will pay on to you that was passed on to me from a mentor:

a) Find a business problem in a "money area" that people want solved (these money areas are defined as 1)Business/Money 2) Health 3) Relationships )

b) become an expert - preferably one of or THE best in the world at solving that problem

Here is an example - and trust me this is right off the top of my head as an example of a $100,000 a year problem.

Let's say you are a lawyer by day and you fucking hate it. You hate the rate race. You know that if you could just set your mind to it, you could earn that $120,000/year online that you do in your corporate job that really drives you to drink.

So, one day you are on an internet forum (let's say here) and you realize that there are alot of Affiliates who are trying to decide the best way to incorporate their business - S Corp? C Corp? LLC? Offshore Incorporation?
What

All of a sudden you have an idea!

You'll start a blog dedicated solely to advising affiliates on the best corporate structure for their business.....

Sure there are hundreds of thousands of lawyers in the USA (and millions in the world) but when it comes to knowing the best solutions there for corporate business structures for Affiliate Marketing Businesses, YOU ARE THE BEST!

Do you see how that works? You've found a problem and you've solved it.
And since you are now the best in the world. You don't have to worry about bullshit G updates, quality scores, aged domains....the list goes on.

Of course you need traffic but the point is when you are the best in the world at something PEOPLE WILL FIND YOU.

The benefit here is that you can generate a REAL BUSINESS and REAL ONLINE WEALTH because you will have repeat business no matter what the fuck G decides to do in the morning....

So to summarize thus far:
1) Learn whom to listen to and whom not to - find a system to model based on demonstrated results
2) Set tangible goals
3) Build a business around a business problem in a "money market"

The last thing I would say is complete the following exercise:

1) On a sheet of paper, write down the 10 things you are good at
2) On another sheet of paper, write down some of the traffic generation methods. Example:
SEO
PPC
Social Media
Direct Navigation (i.e buying domains with traffic - rather expensive and not for the inexperienced)
Article Marketing
Email Marketing
Co-Registration Marketing
PPV

Then, look at your list of what you are good at and try to start developing a skill around the traffic generation method that fits your skillset. As an example, you may see that you are an outgoing guy (or girl) with alot of friends. As a result, Social Media might be a better traffic strategy for you than PPC or SEO. Or, you might look and see that you are a programmer and as a result you can write kick ass scripts that allow you to automate link building so SEO is what you should focus on.

Or, you might look at your list and see that you "good at writing" in which case you can get a higher ROI from Article Marketing than from other traffic methods.


To sum it up again:


So to summarize thus far:
1) Learn whom to listen to and whom not to - find a system to model based on demonstrated results
2) Set tangible goals
3) Build a business around a business problem in a "money market" (make your talents connect with the needs of the world to get your maximum earn on!)
4) Master a traffic generation strategy that fits you natural talents


This is a lot here I know and some or all of it you've probably heard before. Now it's just a question of doing it.

99.9% of people out there won't do any of this - and that's why they say "if you want to have the things most people don't have, you have to be willing to the things that most people won't do..." :rasta:
 
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Last bit. Don't be afraid to get your hands dirty but also don't be afraid to clean yourself up. You can have your mini sites or bluehat/greyhat operations that are cashflow kings and that pump money into your new business.

But do you remember Godfather II? The Don's one wish was to clean up the family "business" to make it more legit so that it would last long term.

What I'm saying here is that once you start "making money" don't be afraid to invest into building someting more long term - hire a publicist, hire a proper logo designer, hire an assistant with good phone manners that will grow with your company.

You've worked too long and hard to let it all go down the drain. Learn to speak the language of big business and communicate properly. You will be surprised how even as a n00b you can start off with better payouts if you present yourself professionally to networks and assume an air of professionalism that says

"I ain't no joke....."
 
guerilla You brought up good points.

I own a rather unpopular software that can run 24/7 on autopilot so finding niches shouldn't be too hard. (magic niche finder)

5,000+ EXACT searches with high OCI is the newly added criteria, I'll also check Insights to confirm traffic.

As for WP installation, I use WP-hive and my VA can put up on avg 10 sites/day.

Articles are outsourced at $1.3/100 words and I have a 750 words article on each sites. I only expand the ones that make money to 4-5 pages.

I guess there's only one thing left to do,

Wish me luck bros! :p

Thanks for all the tips.
 
riddarhusetgal woah, that's some hubpage shit right there, thanks for blessing us with your wisdom, it'll take a while for me to go through them but I'm pretty sure it'll help or at least lead me into the right mindset to success.

Coolios!
 
Don't complicate things. Join CPA networks like c2m and a4d (or any other network that will pay you even if the advertiser doesn't pay... frankly this is the key I look for in an affiliate network, and a surprising number of mom+pop networks will not float you - they might float affiliates that stick with them for long periods of time and bring in a lot of money, but to a new guy some might not care, which is risky), pick 5 offers that you think look promising, leads with payouts under 10 dollars that don't seem to require an intermediary lp (no rebills as they require more presell - direct linkable niches include dating, downloads, and gaming), draft up 5 ad copies for each and 3 images for each, upload all to pof/myspace/facebook, and yes, stick to one of those 3 for now as they're the most simple, launch with initial budgets of 10-20 dollars or however long it takes to get 10k-20k impressions, see what your ctr, cpm, cpc, conversion rates are, determine whether or not the offer is profitable, if it is or if it's close to breakeven, find out why the best ad is the best and make new ads similar but improving it. If all campaigns are a flop, which it's possible, you've only lost a little bit of money and had an incredibly valuable learning experience. Pick more campaigns, and test more. Once you find something profitable, concentrate on it - scale, optimize, vary, test, port to other traffic sources, attempt unique presell methods, etc. SEO is slow and if you can get good at paid traffic you will be in a very good spot. If you have 9-10k, you NEED to try paid traffic, and you owe it to your self to be fine with losing initial money in starting, as it's a possibility (but not a necessity).

Again, don't get confused, don't overcomplicate things, just think about how simple my steps are - and they're the key to paid > cpa, honestly. That's the nutshell of how it's done at its core.

Stop reading, start testing/working. Honestly, it's easier than one thinks.

As far as mindset goes, I've read so much on it I wouldn't even know where to start, but the distilled wisdom in terms of key principles would have to be DESIRE. Desire, dedication, discipline, followthrough, unwavering will to put in work.
 
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riddarhusetgal said:
The first thing you need to do is figure out whom to listen to. A wise woman once said "the secret to good advice it to look at who's giving it to you". To begin with, you should probably right now start to pay attention to where you get your information. Don't just visit forums and blogs. If someone tells you "oh DigitalPoint or Warrior Forum suck" don't just make up your mind that someone on Wickedfire.com told you it's so so it has to be the truth. Learn to look for 3rd party validation of any "expert" as well...


Join some Linkedin.com groups. Go to offline chamber of commerce meetings. If you read an article in the Wall Street Journal or NY Times (you do read don't you?) about a successful business person who's mastered a particular system, track them down. Send the guy's secretary flowers for a whole month until you finally get him on the phone. This is just an example of course. The point is we live in a knowledge economy and the more you know the better you can execute....

Get hungry - real hungry...

For some more specific step by step deliverables consider this:
1) First you have to decide what you want in tangible terms (ex. "x")
2) Then you have to determine what systems or experts have been successful at achieving x
3) Then you have to study those systems and model them to achieve similar results

Here is an example. You might say:
"In 12 months time I want to be earning $120,000 a year in after tax income from my online business which only requires me to actively work 4 hours a day so that I can spend time with my significant other, hanging out, volunteering, etc. I am willing to invest $10k-$12K of my savings to meet this business objective and 4-8 hours a day in my own manual labor..."

The number doesn't matter - it could be 12k or 1.2M. The point is:
1) you have a measurable dollar amount
2) You have set a time frame
3) You've allocated some resources (i.e. the money+time you will invest)

Now you have something to work with. The following might sound cheesy but Aristotle once said "where the needs of the world and your talents meet, there lies your true profession....."

Do you want to make money online or do you want to generate online wealth? There's a big difference....

If you want to make money online, chances are you can latch on to any one of the myriad deals in one of the big markets (money/business, health and weight loss, relationships/dating) and even by nabbing some crumbs, you can have your 6 figure a year salary - which isn't bad given that it's 2x what the average American makes each year.

But if you want to generate online wealth (and God knows I wish I'd seen this earlier in my own career)....well then here is a piece of advice I will pay on to you that was passed on to me from a mentor:

a) Find a business problem in a "money area" that people want solved (these money areas are defined as 1)Business/Money 2) Health 3) Relationships )

b) become an expert - preferably one of or THE best in the world at solving that problem

Here is an example - and trust me this is right off the top of my head as an example of a $100,000 a year problem.

Let's say you are a lawyer by day and you fucking hate it. You hate the rate race. You know that if you could just set your mind to it, you could earn that $120,000/year online that you do in your corporate job that really drives you to drink.

So, one day you are on an internet forum (let's say here) and you realize that there are alot of Affiliates who are trying to decide the best way to incorporate their business - S Corp? C Corp? LLC? Offshore Incorporation?
What

All of a sudden you have an idea!

You'll start a blog dedicated solely to advising affiliates on the best corporate structure for their business.....

Sure there are hundreds of thousands of lawyers in the USA (and millions in the world) but when it comes to knowing the best solutions there for corporate business structures for Affiliate Marketing Businesses, YOU ARE THE BEST!

Do you see how that works? You've found a problem and you've solved it.
And since you are now the best in the world. You don't have to worry about bullshit G updates, quality scores, aged domains....the list goes on.

Of course you need traffic but the point is when you are the best in the world at something PEOPLE WILL FIND YOU.

The benefit here is that you can generate a REAL BUSINESS and REAL ONLINE WEALTH because you will have repeat business no matter what the fuck G decides to do in the morning....

So to summarize thus far:
1) Learn whom to listen to and whom not to - find a system to model based on demonstrated results
2) Set tangible goals
3) Build a business around a business problem in a "money market"

The last thing I would say is complete the following exercise:

1) On a sheet of paper, write down the 10 things you are good at
2) On another sheet of paper, write down some of the traffic generation methods. Example:
SEO
PPC
Social Media
Direct Navigation (i.e buying domains with traffic - rather expensive and not for the inexperienced)
Article Marketing
Email Marketing
Co-Registration Marketing
PPV

Then, look at your list of what you are good at and try to start developing a skill around the traffic generation method that fits your skillset. As an example, you may see that you are an outgoing guy (or girl) with alot of friends. As a result, Social Media might be a better traffic strategy for you than PPC or SEO. Or, you might look and see that you are a programmer and as a result you can write kick ass scripts that allow you to automate link building so SEO is what you should focus on.

Or, you might look at your list and see that you "good at writing" in which case you can get a higher ROI from Article Marketing than from other traffic methods.


To sum it up again:


So to summarize thus far:
1) Learn whom to listen to and whom not to - find a system to model based on demonstrated results
2) Set tangible goals
3) Build a business around a business problem in a "money market" (make your talents connect with the needs of the world to get your maximum earn on!)
4) Master a traffic generation strategy that fits you natural talents


This is a lot here I know and some or all of it you've probably heard before. Now it's just a question of doing it.

99.9% of people out there won't do any of this - and that's why they say "if you want to have the things most people don't have, you have to be willing to the things that most people won't do..." :rasta:
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tl:dr , read up to the part to where it says women are wise and then stopped
 
riddarhusetgal said:
So to summarize thus far:
1) Learn whom to listen to and whom not to - find a system to model based on demonstrated results
2) Set tangible goals
3) Build a business around a business problem in a "money market" (make your talents connect with the needs of the world to get your maximum earn on!)
4) Master a traffic generation strategy that fits you natural talents
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riddarhusetgal, you go out of your way to help the newbies. That is enough information for someone to package as an eBook.
+ rep.
 
somebody said:
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riddarhusetgal, you go out of your way to help the newbies. That is enough information for someone to package as an eBook.
+ rep.
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You should totally copy and paste, make your own ebook, and sell it on clickbank you'll be ballin in no time
 
stick2Herbs said:
tl:dr , read up to the part to where it says women are wise and then stopped
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Okay retard....you go ahead and try to build a business leaving out 50% of the consumers in the world....

On a lighter note, anyone reading this is already an outlier and has the ability to succeed. I am officially on day 3 of my semi-retirement of the coast of [x] and it feels like a dream....

The hardest part is explaining people what you do, lol
 
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