Obese Kids Taken From Parents...

JakeStratham

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First, the punchline: The Department of Children and Family Services in Cuyahoga County in Ohio has kidnapped a third grader from his mom, and put him into foster care. (Story here.)

Was she beating him? No.

Shooting him up with meth? Nope.

Keeping him in a dog crate? Uh-uh.

He was obese. 200 lbs. obese.

Here is the reason this case is significant:

Earlier this year, JAMA published a paper in which Harvard scholars recommended that the state* intervene in cases where kids are morbidly obese. The scholars' idea of state intervention was to take such children from their parents. (The paper was covered in several places, but you can find brief overviews here and here.)

I argued here that the paper was important because this type of "research" starts the machine that ultimately leads to laws. Frankly, I haven't a clue whether any laws have since been passed at the fed, state, or local levels. However, I do know that a third-grader was recently kidnapped by the state for reasons expressed in the JAMA paper. Note that the Cleveland.com story about the case mentions the paper and one of its authors.

It is worth revisiting this topic since we can now observe where it has led. It is also reasonable to assume that the state will continue to expand its definition of cases that warrant intervention (i.e. kidnapping the kids). Think of ways in which government agencies (federal, state, local) will one day justify taking your kids from you. Surely, you do not believe for a moment that such action will be limited to cases of morbid obesity.

I assume everyone here knows how this works, even some of you younger folks who haven't seen it played out over and over in the past. When I posted here about this process, I offered no new insight. However, it is still a useful reminder that placing others in authority (i.e. voting**) can produce horrible consequences.



* I believe the authors are using "state" to refer to state and local government agencies as opposed to federal agencies. Given how much of state funding comes from the federal level with conditions, the line that separates them is blurred.

** Worth reading ---> The Ethics of Voting - Parts I, II, and III
 


200lbs? Shit, I bet he's shaped like a bowling ball.. They should give that fat ass some whipping instead.
 
I see nothing wrong with it. 200 lbs overweight has a serious impact on someone's health

So does being ripped out of your home at an early age. The question is whether or not one outstrips the other.

Looks like the mother was shown not to be able to stay on top of things like getting the kid in counseling or exercise programs. At least not in a way that was effective.

So you can have the kid institutionalized and constantly monitored until he's "better", or you can send him to foster care.

As a cost proposition, foster care makes the most sense. Arguably, it makes sense regarding quality of life issues as well.

So the question is, if the kid drops 100 pounds, does the mom get him back ?
What if he gains another 20 after that? Is the fluctuation of a child's weight going to be the determining factor in where he is allowed to live until he's eighteen years old?

Interesting issue. Funny as well, because I bet 80% of the people he's dealing with in the system are obese, if not morbidly so.

The mother is a fuckup to be sure, but what she probably should have done in this situation is to get the kid on SSI for his medical condition. This would have given him access to a better form of care, or at least a better class of cheeseburgers.

His caretakers are probably already filling out the paperwork $$$.

I'm going to start making citizen's arrests of fat fucks in the street.
 
Pretty disgusting if this is true. It is definitely plausible it could lead to other justifications for ripping children from their parents.

For instance, I could see them taking that same type of stance against parents who don't want to pump their children with dozens of untested and unproven vaccines (like my wife and I).

This reminds me of that old 1980's Ron Paul video where he schooled a fat guy and said "Why don't they put you on a diet? You're a little over weight" LOLL
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dozens. DOZENS. what exactly are you referring to?

untested and unproven

you're mad right? Give me one example of a vaccine that health authorities mandate and I'll show you efficacy.

I always love hearing from these vaccine haters. I remember having to work with those who were stricken in the measles outbreak last year. Guess who got sick?:

Most of the cases have been in people who have not been immunized against the virus, or didn't get required follow-up shots.

And guess who regretted not getting the shots afterward? Duh. You do realize that they vaccinate kids for things like polio, right? And that although "the herd" is vaccinated for it, poliomyelitis is still shed from those who contract it but are asymptomatic.

It would take one trip to an iron lung ward for you to reverse your stance on these "dozens" of "untested and unproven" vaccines. Oh wait... since most people are VACCINATED against polio, those wards don't exist any more.

Perhaps you can just ask your grandparents about it instead. Because contracting polio is a living hell that you certainly wouldn't want your kids to go through unnecessarily.

measles thing from: B.C. measles outbreak expands to 70 cases | CTV British Columbia
 
who the fuck is gonna want to adopt a 200 lbs 3rd grader, will the foster parents also be receiving $1000 weekly grocery giftcards to supply the massive amounts of food that fat bastard is eating?
 
I doubt he gets bullied much. If I was that big in third grade id been one huge fat bastard
 
dozens. DOZENS. what exactly are you referring to?

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For instance, I could see them taking that same type of stance against parents who don't want to pump their children with dozens of untested and unproven vaccines (like my wife and I).

This WILL happen.

How anyone could justify this to themselves is beyond me.

Does anyone actually think the government gives a fuck about this fat kid's health? Since when did they start caring so much about the citizen's health and well being? This must be some special kinda fat kid for the government to spend money on serving his interests, rather than their own. Maybe things are changing, eh? The state really does care about us after all!! I'm sure the gov will give him a loving home, with healthy meals like they mandate for school children. Seems like a familiar premise..hmm.. taking from people in the name of safety/security.. Yep, seems like a great idea! MOAR FAT KIDS! MOAR!

Everything is it's fucking opposite. It's a mind game.

Child Protective services=kidnapping and raping your children
Federal Reserve=Private no reserve
protect and serve=harass and dominate
war on terror=war on freedom
patriot act=patriot shut the fuck up
internet copyright=internet shut down competition
operation iraqi freedom=kill innocent iraqis
liberate libya=enslave libya
world peace=world war
etc...

see this shit everywhere.. the one that really got me was when Warren Buffett served as spokesman for the 99%. Lol.
 
Might as well try fattening him up some more and go for a world record. 500lbs by age 10 maybe?
 
dozens. DOZENS. what exactly are you referring to?



you're mad right? Give me one example of a vaccine that health authorities mandate and I'll show you efficacy.

I always love hearing from these vaccine haters. I remember having to work with those who were stricken in the measles outbreak last year. Guess who got sick?:



And guess who regretted not getting the shots afterward? Duh. You do realize that they vaccinate kids for things like polio, right? And that although "the herd" is vaccinated for it, poliomyelitis is still shed from those who contract it but are asymptomatic.

It would take one trip to an iron lung ward for you to reverse your stance on these "dozens" of "untested and unproven" vaccines. Oh wait... since most people are VACCINATED against polio, those wards don't exist any more.

Perhaps you can just ask your grandparents about it instead. Because contracting polio is a living hell that you certainly wouldn't want your kids to go through unnecessarily.

measles thing from: B.C. measles outbreak expands to 70 cases | CTV British Columbia

Calm down broseph, take a deep breath.

My problem isn't with one or two vaccinations like polio, it's with the DOZENS that MSTeacher was so kind to verify that they insist on injecting children.

My wife and I have been in these debates before, and even on WF so I won't repeat myself.

I will say this.. If you have trust in the pharmaceutical companies, and trust in the various agencies (like Academy of Pediatrics that the pharma companies give millions to source) who promote the use of all vaccinations, then it's pointless debating you on the topic.
 
If you have trust in the pharmaceutical companies, and trust in the various agencies (like Academy of Pediatrics that the pharma companies give millions to source) who promote the use of all vaccinations, then it's pointless debating you on the topic.

Nothing like mainlining a few dozen rounds of heavy metals and lab grown gmo gene sequences inserted into aborted fetal tissue in your formative years to set you straight for a long and fruitful life of health and prosperity.
 
Calm down broseph, take a deep breath.

My problem isn't with one or two vaccinations like polio, it's with the DOZENS that MSTeacher was so kind to verify that they insist on injecting children.

My wife and I have been in these debates before, and even on WF so I won't repeat myself.

I will say this.. If you have trust in the pharmaceutical companies, and trust in the various agencies (like Academy of Pediatrics that the pharma companies give millions to source) who promote the use of all vaccinations, then it's pointless debating you on the topic.

Let's not get all John Travolta up in here

The answer is simple. How many more young children die in 3rd world countries than 1st world in a year?

There you go. And bla bla malnutrition non clean water etc etc, they are more susceptible to disease and virus because of weakened immune systems and NO VACCINATIONS.

Children need their shots.
 
I will say this.. If you have trust in the pharmaceutical companies, and trust in the various agencies (like Academy of Pediatrics that the pharma companies give millions to source) who promote the use of all vaccinations, then it's pointless debating you on the topic.

Of course! If we vaccinate our children, we're the "sheeple", right?

The tinfoil hat wearing halfwits that don't vaccinate are providing the viruses with a nice warm body to mutate into a vaccine resistant super strain and putting the rest of the world at risk in the process.

How long per day are you allowed to use the communal computer in the cult?
 
The mother was literally killing her own child with food. At 200 lbs I would be morbidly obese and I am 5"9 and 37 years old. The kid is 8 years old!

It's child abuse plain and clear.

The US and UK needs to promote food education, because at this rate most people are not going to live past 40.
 
Seems like there's some irony in a bunch of fat state employees taking a fat kid away from his parents because he is too fat fat fat.