Outsourcing Recommandations?

Jared Jammer

Jared Jammer

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Hello, fine gentlemen.

I'll keep this short and sweet: Me and my "business" partner have decided to take a shot at client SEO, and we plan on outsourcing a lot of the work.

The problem is, there are so many people selling so many services that we don't know where to begin.

This is where you, fine citizens of Wicked Fire, can lend us a hand.

What we're looking for are recommendations for tried and proven services, here on Wicked Fire, or anywhere elsewhere.

We're mostly looking for good places to buy links, but also content writers, and any other services clients might need.

So, any good recommendations?

Thanks, your help is much appreciated. :love-smiley-087:
 


But if you can't tell who to outsource to, how are you going to be able to tell why XYZ service did or did not work?

I hate to say this cause we have a good relationship, but this is the reason people think SEO is a huge scam, people that don't know SEO selling SEO, then just outsourcing, and worse thing is they can't tell what works and what doesn't work.

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Well bud, it has taken me over 5 years and well over 100k of lost or poorly spent money to find the "right" people to outsource to. I had to learn things the hard way. If I don't know exactly what I want done and how to do it myself then how in the hell could I possibly monitor a contractor and know if he is a good person to outsource to.

Breaking into outsourcing back in 08 I paid some random Indian guy 7k to rank me for a few local keywords. Did he do the job? Yes, Did he rip me off, Yes. Did I know that? Nope, not until I figured out how to do what he did much later on did I know he probably pocketed 6500.00 of that money.

We could list the right people to use, but you should figure out how to rank these "SEO Clients" on your own. Then hire contractors and closely monitor them to make sure they execute your plan. Even the best providers here need guidance as not every case is the same. You can't just say here hit my site with a "Sherlock Holmes Package". You need to know what it does and what would make it most effective.

Here's what is going to happen. You will acquire local SEO clients. You will not know what you're doing. You will waste your money on outsourcing the job. The client will become unhappy. We will have one more business owner in the world who thinks SEO is a joke.
 
tim2963 said:
We could list the right people to use, but you should figure out how to rank these "SEO Clients" on your own.
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And plus, why should you list them? You've spent time, money and effort finding the 'right' people/working methods, what right does OP have to lay claim to that?

OP - stop looking for shortcuts, pull your thumb out your arse and learn how to rank a site yourself - THEN look to outsource the work as you think it should be done.

If you can't be arsed with that, just stop.
 
People, people, people . . .

The issue isn't that we can't rank sites. We can, have, and could again and again if necessary.

The issue isn't that we don't understand SEO. We understand it perfectly well.

We know the value of quality--not merely quantity--of links.

We understand natural anchor text ratio, and how there is no set ratio, but one that changes from niche to niche (which can be discovered by averaging out the top sites in Google for your given keyword).

We understand the power of CTR and on-page time to help gauge the quality of a link and/or site.

Link velocity? Social signals? On-page signals? "Big brand" hallmarks? Perfected it all. Why wouldn't we? We've busted our asses learning it, working through month after month of delayed gratification, determined to create a foundation strong enough to build years of stable success on.

The issue is not not understanding SEO.

The issue is simply this: Outsourcing is far more efficient, while remaining entirely effective, provided it's outsourced to credible (read: proven, knowledgeable, reliable) people.

Hence, this thread.
 
tim2963 said:
Well bud, it has taken me over 5 years and well over 100k of lost or poorly spent money to find the "right" people to outsource to.
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Then you, of all people, should understand my reasoning for creating this thread.

Not to sound harsh, as I really do think you're a swell guy, but . . .

We don't want to make the same silly mistakes people like you made. As a wise man once said:

“Only a fool learns from his own mistakes.
The wise man learns from the mistakes of others.”
--Otto von Bismarck
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tim2963 said:
Breaking into outsourcing back in 08 I paid some random Indian guy 7k to rank me for a few local keywords. Did he do the job? Yes, Did he rip me off, Yes. Did I know that? Nope, not until I figured out how to do what he did much later on did I know he probably pocketed 6500.00 of that money.
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I'm not sure your standards for what constitutes being ripped off, but, provided our outsourcing efforts bring our clients what they want, including a boost in business and a nice ROI, I don't see the issue.

Could they go directly to the sources we're outsourcing to? Of course. But, they didn't, and we did. So, we reap the reward, not them.

Again, what's the problem? It seems like run-of-the-mill business to me.


tim2963 said:
We could list the right people to use, but you should figure out how to rank these "SEO Clients" on your own.

Then hire contractors and closely monitor them to make sure they execute your plan. Even the best providers here need guidance as not every case is the same. You can't just say here hit my site with a "Sherlock Holmes Package". You need to know what it does and what would make it most effective.
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Of course.

Again, this isn't about our skills, or lack thereof. This is about using the proven work of others to be as efficient as possible without losing effectiveness. We plan on being meticulous with everything.

tim2963 said:
Here's what is going to happen. You will acquire local SEO clients. You will not know what you're doing. You will waste your money on outsourcing the job. The client will become unhappy. We will have one more business owner in the world who thinks SEO is a joke.
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Here's what's actually going to happen: We're going to do our due diligence and find credible people to outsource to before we spend a single time.

We're not going to blow over $100K of client money on GSA spam from barely-literate tree-dwellers from Bangladesh.

We're going to keep every single client we acquire happy. We're not only going to keep them coming back, again and again, we're going to get referrals.
 
Chumbawamba said:
And plus, why should you list them? You've spent time, money and effort finding the 'right' people/working methods, what right does OP have to lay claim to that?
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I'm not sure what you mean by "lay claim to that," but to answer your first question: Because helping out others when you can is what decent people do?

Surely you already knew this? If not, start here.

Asides from that, many services offer referral discounts/rewards. So, even if the members here aren't into helping out for the sake of helping out (and I think they are), there could be financial incentive to do so.

Chumbawamba said:
If you can't be arsed with that, just stop.
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If you can't be "arsed" to construct a decent response, just stop.
 
It's hard to find people to work for you when you are a disembodied talking vagina. The struggle is real. #VaginaPeopleArePeopleToo

OP if you post in the noob section expect to be treated like a noob.

Edit: damnit bumped post, now OP will never know he's a vag
 
This is beginner's mentality. You'll be spending more money than you'll earn because you'll find so many amateurs. Your business will get a bad reputation and you're out of the game. Learn it yourself. Takes shorter time and actually builds up a longterm skill.
 
Abelo said:
This is beginner's mentality. You'll be spending more money than you'll earn because you'll find so many amateurs. Your business will get a bad reputation and you're out of the game. Learn it yourself. Takes shorter time and actually builds up a longterm skill.
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Excellent point. IN the beginning you may think that it is too hard to learn but if you just stick with it, eventually you will learn.
 
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