PPV traffic...huh?

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dorian63

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Hey all,

I recently started venturing into PPV and right now I got 4 live campaigns on MediaTraffic but I can't figure out how to get impressions. After reading some horror stories of people burning hundreds within minutes, I didn't target broad keywords or main URL's but rather deep pages within those URLs.

But right now it is like this: I either have URL's where I'm the main bidder for it ($0.0150 up to $0.0160), but I don't get a single impression. On the other hand, there are URL's (deep links!) where I didn't bid for the first position, because that sold for like $0.50 (seriously, 50 cent/view? hats off to those getting that to work!).

So what's the problem, I either get no traffic, or traffic for unprofitably high prices?

I got my URL's from all sorts of places, though mainly from quantcast, google and alexa.

If anybody is willing to drop some helpful hints, I'd greatly appreciate that :) (save yourself the "PPV is dead" (as well as "saying xyz is dead is dead"), we all read it numerous times already, not funny anymore though:rolleyes:)

Thanks!:drinkup:
 


MediaTraffic is garbage.

You have to bid on high-traffic URL's to see good traffic volume (look at Alexa rank, Quantcast, blah blah). Also, if you're mining URL's from the SERPS, most of the time inner pages just dont have that much traffic. I usually visit the website and evaluate which pages are trafficked by sheer judgement.

You're problem is MediaTraffic though. They fucking blow x2. AdOn, LeadImpact, TrafficVance FTW

Edit: Adon is low traffic too, but their shit converts great. Higher the Alexa rank and more popular of a site, the more traffic you'll see. Top 5,000 sites
 
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Thanks for the quick reply Garrett.

Actually, i've spent quite a few days figuring out where to sign up first. As I'm just starting out, TV unfortunately doesn't fit my budget, though it's my ultimate goal for sure.

As for Leadimpact, for some reason people kept voting them somewhere after TV and MT. And Adon, as far as I heard, really lacks the volume.

If your time allows, could you elaborate a bit of why you think MT sucks, and why Adon and LI are good? And what about cpvdirect?

Thanks again :)
 
MT sucks the Zeus cock because they're shit doesnt convert very well.

AdOn is impossible to lose money on pretty much (great for your bottom line)

LI (and TV) is the perfect mix of volume + conversions
 
Thanks for clearing that up again Garrett :)
I'll go with Adon for now as they fit my budget more. Also what is true about the rumors of LI stealing campaigns?

And more specifically for Adon, if you're willing to answer that: what ad option would you recommend here? On MT I was pretty limited of what to use (pop-up, pop-under), but reading Adons FAQ it seems they provide a ton of different formats. But if you're not willing to share what worked best for you here, I can perfectly understand that of course.
 
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dorian63 said:
Thanks for clearing that up again Garrett :)
I'll go with Adon for now as they fit my budget more. Also what is true about the rumors of LI stealing campaigns?

And more specifically for Adon, if you're willing to answer that: what ad option would you recommend here? On MT I was pretty limited of what to use (pop-up, pop-under), but reading Adons FAQ it seems they provide a ton of different formats. But if you're not willing to share what worked best for you here, I can perfectly understand that of course.
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My advice for Adon is... learn how to manage TONS of campaigns. If each makes $10/day, you'll need to manage quite a few of them to make real money.

On Adon, I have only tested pop-unders (not banners, publisher network, etc...) and its worked out well.

One thing to keep in mind there is they use something called Traffic Tags. EVery campaign you make needs to have its own traffic tag, because you can turn off bad traffic with it. BUT if you are using the same traffic tag on 2 profitable campaigns, and attempt to optimize one, you might be cutting off campaign #2's converters.

I havent tried the publisher network (only desktop pop-unders), so keep that in mind when youre setting up your traffic tag for your campaigns. And remember top 5,000 sites are where its at. Match the site to the offer
 
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Garrett FTW.
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Absolutely!

Thanks for that detailed info, not many would be willing to share so much. Especially with a beginner like me :bowdown:

Have yet to really understand what their traffic tag really means (FAQ ftw) but your timing was perfect. Was wondering what that means, I go back to the thread and refresh and you answered that ^^

I'll jump in and test them out now, thanks a ton!
 
last thing... to sum this thing up:

You need to be able to track which URL's convert, and which ones bleed you dry. So this is how you can do that very simply.

Grab all your URL's, put them in Noptepad and ready to paste in.

When you setup a campaign in Adon, you need to hardcode in your redirect link (landing page URL or whatever they call it), like this:


=http://yourdomain.com/campaignname/blah.php?kw=SEARCHTEXT

...and the code for blah.php would be this:

<?php
$target = $_GET['kw'];
header("Location: http://youraffiliatelink.com/?subid=$target");
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Then look at your sub id reports... and you can see "oh =http://blahblah.com got 4 conversions off 450 pops" and "http://shittyurl.com got 0 conversions off of 2,000 pops". At this point, its simple algebra. You know youre offer payout. You can then look and see what you're bidding to determine if a specific URL is profitable or not
 
you all serious about AdOn?

they get brokered traffic and like half those ID are shit.. I find AdOn I have the weed their shit out a lot to find the good IDs.
 
eliquid said:
you all serious about AdOn?

they get brokered traffic and like half those ID are shit.. I find AdOn I have the weed their shit out a lot to find the good IDs.
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they have the lowest minimum bid (0.005$) so things that are barely profitable elsewhere are very profitable on AdOn
 
Garrett said:
last thing... to sum this thing up:

You need to be able to track which URL's convert, and which ones bleed you dry. So this is how you can do that very simply.

Grab all your URL's, put them in Noptepad and ready to paste in.

When you setup a campaign in Adon, you need to hardcode in your redirect link (landing page URL or whatever they call it), like this:


=http://yourdomain.com/campaignname/blah.php?kw=SEARCHTEXT

...and the code for blah.php would be this:



Then look at your sub id reports... and you can see "oh =http://blahblah.com got 4 conversions off 450 pops" and "http://shittyurl.com got 0 conversions off of 2,000 pops". At this point, its simple algebra. You know youre offer payout. You can then look and see what you're bidding to determine if a specific URL is profitable or not
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Thanks for that not asked for extra, Garrett :)

I'm using prosper202 (direct linking), so I think that works just as well for the tracking.

However right now I'm getting weird errors with their interface. Already talked to them on chat but only thing they can do is forward it to their engineers, have never seen it before.

What happens is, after I added my URL's, I want to select the bids, right? There were a few expensive keywords in there, so I selected them, and hit delete. Then the page loads and I only get to see an empty page (see screens below, tested in firefox and IE). Then I click on "bid manager" again just to find that none of those URL's were deleted.

Here are the screens, though I guess I'm pretty much the only one that crap ever happened to:

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1106/screen2mj.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4369/screenhr.jpg

If anybody has any ideas, feel free to drop them, but I guess my only hope are their technicians, otherwise I have to say goodbye to Adon already again :crying:
 
I only really like TrafficVance, to be honest. I then go across scaling my profitable campaigns across the other networks and it goes lower and lower as I get down to MediaTraffic / AdOn.
 
Garrett said:
last thing... to sum this thing up:

You need to be able to track which URL's convert, and which ones bleed you dry. So this is how you can do that very simply.

Grab all your URL's, put them in Noptepad and ready to paste in.

When you setup a campaign in Adon, you need to hardcode in your redirect link (landing page URL or whatever they call it), like this:


=http://yourdomain.com/campaignname/blah.php?kw=SEARCHTEXT

...and the code for blah.php would be this:



Then look at your sub id reports... and you can see "oh =http://blahblah.com got 4 conversions off 450 pops" and "http://shittyurl.com got 0 conversions off of 2,000 pops". At this point, its simple algebra. You know youre offer payout. You can then look and see what you're bidding to determine if a specific URL is profitable or not
Click to expand...

Thanks for that not asked for extra, Garrett :)

I'm using prosper202 (direct linking), so I think that works just as well for the tracking.

However right now I'm getting weird errors with their interface. Already talked to them on chat but only thing they can do is forward it to their engineers, have never seen it before.

What happens is, after I added my URL's, I want to select the bids, right? There were a few expensive keywords in there, so I selected them, and hit delete. Then the page loads and I only get to see an empty page (see screens below, tested in firefox and IE). Then I click on "bid manager" again just to find that none of those URL's were deleted.

Here are the screens, though I guess I'm pretty much the only one that crap ever happened to:

http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1106/screen2mj.jpg
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/4369/screenhr.jpg

If anybody has any ideas, feel free to drop them, but I guess my only hope are their technicians, otherwise I have to say goodbye to Adon already again :crying:
 
Garrett said:
last thing... to sum this thing up:

You need to be able to track which URL's convert, and which ones bleed you dry. So this is how you can do that very simply.

Grab all your URL's, put them in Noptepad and ready to paste in.

When you setup a campaign in Adon, you need to hardcode in your redirect link (landing page URL or whatever they call it), like this:


=http://yourdomain.com/campaignname/blah.php?kw=SEARCHTEXT

...and the code for blah.php would be this:



Then look at your sub id reports... and you can see "oh =http://blahblah.com got 4 conversions off 450 pops" and "http://shittyurl.com got 0 conversions off of 2,000 pops". At this point, its simple algebra. You know youre offer payout. You can then look and see what you're bidding to determine if a specific URL is profitable or not
Click to expand...

Thanks for that not asked for extra, Garrett :)

I'm using prosper202 (direct linking), so I think that works just as well for the tracking.

However right now I'm getting weird errors with their interface. Already talked to them on chat but only thing they can do is forward it to their engineers, have never seen it before.

What happens is, after I added my URL's, I want to select the bids, right? There were a few expensive keywords in there, so I selected them, and hit delete. Then the page loads and I only get to see an empty page (see screens below, tested in firefox and IE). Then I click on "bid manager" again just to find that none of those URL's were deleted.

Here are the screens, though I guess I'm pretty much the only one that crap ever happened to:





If anybody has any ideas, feel free to drop them, but I guess my only hope are their technicians, otherwise I have to say goodbye to Adon already again :crying:
(I realize that they are a bit too big, couldn't just drop the imageshack links because I don't have enough posts yet to put links in my post. Sorry for that, if it's too much, a mod may please delete them again).
 
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Ouch, anyone else got poor conversion with MT? MT is the only PPV network I ran and it didn't go so well. I chalked it up to my newbness and haven't done anymore PPV since.
 
in my experience...

I can start at TV and run a campaign forever with no competition almost. If I spread that to MT/AdOn/DCPV/LI... the fucking copycats come out of the woodwork like fucking crazy.

From that, I just think that DCPV, LI, AdOn, MT is the lower barrier to start in ppv
 
I am like Ryan . I test everything on TV except INTL offers and scale from there . I like LI better than MT . MT has to many Noob's that have no clue what they are doing. Adon converts well but they lack traffic . DCPV is garbage , along with Clicksor .
 
For those of you who don't know adon is actually a broker between tons of smaller networks. like we are talking tiny install networks. Go get your account manager to help you with tracking and optimization if your losing money. Some campaigns just don't work with some networks. Optimize them out and ball hard.
 
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