Rants: Bidding Noobs on PPV Traffic
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the problem is the gurus, they dont explain shit about bidding and most people dont understand basic game theory and / or think its google. there is nothing i love more then finding a url with 2-3 people all bidding the same on it because i know its profitable and the people making money with it arent retards.
he doesnt give up, he eventually sets hit bid to within 10% of his epc and leaves it there and you both make a lot less money.
Kinda depends on what he pushing and how me monetizing.. if the guy that lowered his bid to 10% of epc is just pushing a $8 lead gen and the other guy owns a lead gen or can monetize better.. they both are making less money in general terms, but the guy that monetizes better is still gonna bank more in #1 if they can raise their overall ROI on that bid.
This is what I meant.
I got a #1 for lets say. .015
Tard boy comes along and bids .02
I Bid .021 to take it back.
He bids .026
I bid .027
He bids .032
I Bid .033
This goes all the way up to my current bid of .072
Now hes decided that he is ok with .071 and being #2
Ive tried lowering my bid to get him to come back several times , even bid .071 to share it with him if he would drop his bid, so i'm bidding .072 for #1 and just making over break even compared to great roi.
Anyway at some point I'm sure he will run out of money since , get po'ed and leave, its just annoying.
I got a #1 for lets say. .015
Tard boy comes along and bids .02
I Bid .021 to take it back.
He bids .026
I bid .027
He bids .032
I Bid .033
This goes all the way up to my current bid of .072
Now hes decided that he is ok with .071 and being #2
Ive tried lowering my bid to get him to come back several times , even bid .071 to share it with him if he would drop his bid, so i'm bidding .072 for #1 and just making over break even compared to great roi.
Anyway at some point I'm sure he will run out of money since , get po'ed and leave, its just annoying.
His bidding strategy is the exact same as yours. The only reason you are calling him a noob is because he used the "make my bid the highest" option which increases bids by 0.005 instead of the necessary 0.001
Both of your bidding strategies suck. At no point did either of you match the other's bid. My first response would have been to bid .02 to match his, preferably quickly after his first bid (perhaps even automated) to let him know that this isnt some dormant url that isnt beging watched and has been bid on for the same last year. Of course he can still instigate a bidding war at that point, leading to the same situation you both are in, but at least one of you isnt retarded.
On TV my experience has been that with more than 1 bidder #1 gets 70-80% of the traffic, #2 gets 10-20% of the traffic, and #3-#n get the remaining. If two people split the bid, they both get 50% each provided no one else is on the URL or combined 80-90% otherwise (40-45%)
So lets say your epc was 0.07 and you could get 50% of the traffic with a 0.02 bid if you both split the traffic. This URL would still be very worthwhile. Instead you guys got in a bid war OVER ONLY AN 20-30% ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC IF YOU SPLIT IT since there is now a #2, which has resulted in nobody but trafficvance, the advertiser, and the network making money. Plus you are wasting time fucking with bids.
PS you have no idea what his epc is so you have no idea if he's losing money, you also have no idea what his budget is or how or even when he is monetizing this traffic. So assuming you are going to outlast him can be really silly. Also he is assuming you are losing money and is just trying to bleed you out by bidding right under you. Nobody will win this.
This situation pretty much illustrates why ppv has gone to complete shit.
You could look at it this way. Any time an affiliate is willing to go into bidding wars for keywords/urls on PPV you know that shit is golden
actually no- you don't. You know that they've been banned from adwords, and are following every network recommendation to run dating/games/mobile on ppv or social and may be desparate to test b/c their weekly email said EPC on a mobile offer was $7.50.
A very insightful post considering you're 3 year old on WF. Dumbass!You could look at it this way. Any time an affiliate is willing to go into bidding wars for keywords/urls on PPV you know that shit is golden
no, default incremental, min bid is 0.01 and TV is saturated as fuck now since its the next OMG facebook!!!!11!
what are you talking about- all this is doing in the game of normal competition is ratcheting revenues since you do not HAVE to bid in 0.05 increments but can instead bid in 0.01 increments and there is no cascade.
You know how pissed I would be if PPC engines did away w/ the bidding cascade and then every brander just bid $10 to ensure they were near the top?
Fuck off FatalError....are you saying they only go into bid wars because of traffic reasons only...?
Popular keywords in weight loss, auto insurance niche are constantly under pressure. Are you saying it's because they are not profitable? Shut your shit douche.
Popular keywords in weight loss, auto insurance niche are constantly under pressure. Are you saying it's because they are not profitable? Shut your shit douche.