San Bernardino to use eminent domain to seize all homes with underwater mortgages

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(Reuters) - If you're already inclined to suspect governments of overreaching, boy will you hate the plan San Bernadino is contemplating.About half of the homeowners in the newly bankrupt California city are underwater, which means they owe more on their mortgages than their homes are worth.


In conjunction with a San Francisco outfit called Mortgage Resolution Partners, San Bernadino is considering a plan to exercise eminent domain and seize mortgage liens on some of those underwater homes. As my Reuters colleagues Matt Goldstein and Jennifer Ablan were the first to report, the eminent domain scheme works like this: With financing from an outside operation such as MRP, the city would condemn underwater mortgages and purchase them in the name of the public good for a court-determined fair market price.


The financier would then make new mortgage loans to homeowners under modified terms before turning around and selling the modified loans to outside investors. As eminent domain proponents describe the plan, it's a winner for everyone: Homeowners see their loan principal reduced and get to keep their houses, financiers turn a profit on the resold mortgages and the city avoids the blight of foreclosed homes, which drive down property values and destroy neighborhoods.


But there are also losers in the eminent domain model: investors in mortgage-backed securities. San Bernardino is talking about exercising eminent domain only over mortgage loans that have been bundled into private securitizations. Those mortgages are owned by MBS trusts, which, under eminent domain, would be forced to accept fair market value for underlying loans they don't want to sell. To add insult to injury, the San Bernadino plan proposes that only performing loans be part of the initial wave of eminent domain seizures. That's to reward homeowners who have managed to live up to their mortgage obligations. But from the perspective of MBS investors, seizing loans that are still being paid on time means they're being stripped of an ongoing revenue stream.

Source: Eminent domain, MBS and the U.S. Constitution: a one-sided fight? | Reuters

So if I'm reading this right, a county that just filed bankruptcy because they're so financially astute is planning on (ab)using eminent domain to seize almost half the property in the county, then resell it to the people at the reduced "market" price, with funds being provided by a venture capital firm. In other words, a VC firm has struck a deal with a municipality to steal property from the legal lien-holders and then profit by reselling that property.

inb4 guerilla and Jake say I told you so.

Even if you can stomach the idea of eminent domain being used for things like highways, railroads etc, how can anyone seriously justify this?
 
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I'm curious as to why you don't think it will happen? It actually sounds like a good move. Over reach of power, sure.
 
I'm curious as to why you don't think it will happen? It actually sounds like a good move. Over reach of power, sure.

People would go nuts, it would be all over the news, banks would no longer lend to anybody in that city making it impossible to get a mortgage there. + tons of lawsuits
 
Holy misleading title, Batman.

How so?

People would go nuts, it would be all over the news, banks would no longer lend to anybody in that city making it impossible to get a mortgage there. + tons of lawsuits

Why would people go nuts? The "homeowners" would be big winners (along with the municipality) - they get to stay in the house and at a reduced price with a fresh mortgage. The only people that would lose out would be the banks/investors in those mortgage assets right? You must not understand how populist rhetoric works.

Not only do I think this will happen, I think municipalities around the country are licking their lips at the thought of doing the same thing.
 
You are going nuts when they are just thinking about it.

I'm going nuts by posting it on an IM forum?

I don't live in California, I don't live in a house with an underwater mortgage, and nothing that happens in this country surprises me much anymore so my give-a-fuck-meter is registering only slightly higher than when I miss the toilet with my piss, but slightly less than when the Lions win.

I'm posting it in a forum to inform and spark conversation on a matter that some people may or may not be interested in, not picketing the city hall in San Bernadino you fucktwit.
 
Lol, you are the one that said "how can anyone seriously justify this?" and then you ask "Why would people go nuts?" and I'm the "fucktwit"?
 
I don't think it will happen - it's a sabre-rattling negotiating move.

MBS investors are too important as donors to political parties to allow this through... I bet they're using it as a cover for something else.
 
I don't think it will happen - it's a sabre-rattling negotiating move.

MBS investors are too important as donors to political parties to allow this through... I bet they're using it as a cover for something else.

That was my first thought too, but MBS investors do most of their donating to national candidates/parties, whereas eminent domain is controlled at the local level.

Especially when you look into how a lot of these munis ended up in bankruptcy or on the verge of it. Many leaders at the local level blame the banks for the mortgage mess and the faulty investment vehicles that they signed up for (rate swaps mostly). Might be a way to fuck the banks back in their eyes.
 
That was my first thought too, but MBS investors do most of their donating to national candidates/parties, whereas eminent domain is controlled at the local level.

Especially when you look into how a lot of these munis ended up in bankruptcy or on the verge of it. Many leaders at the local level blame the banks for the mortgage mess and the faulty investment vehicles that they signed up for (rate swaps mostly). Might be a way to fuck the banks back in their eyes.

True, surely state or federal will step into stop this though?

Even if they do, it would still be a populist point score for the local government, I guess.
 
Kind of disgusting article altogether.... There is too much weird stuff going nin this country. You folks leaving may be on to something.
 
MBS investors invest in a tranche within the MBS with no single entity giving representation or advocating for them - the Servicer holds control.

The exit strategy for the VC firm and City is to get the homeowner a new mortgage - but who will lend to them when lien ownership has just been thrown out the window. The LOL would be when the City and the VC firm buys the mortgages and re-writes for existing homeowners only to find out that no one in SB has a job. They will have re-written at purchase price (80% home value per their PR) + fees. Say 83%, hardly what they would net when they have to foreclose on the homeowners themselves because they are not working. Many SB homes are worth under $100K so the foreclosure execution costs alone will put them in the red - only ones profiting will be the BK attorneys stalling foreclosure.

If they try this, hopefully it will get tied up in the courts, with the City footing huge legal bills that their BK Trustee (because they are in bankruptcy) will tell them they cannot afford.

One big CF.
 
The LOL would be when the City and the VC firm buys the mortgages and re-writes for existing homeowners only to find out that no one in SB has a job.

Sounds like they already thought of that which is why initially they are only going to target the underwater mortgages that are being paid, not the ones in foreclosure therefore those owners likely have jobs and their credit is still good enough.
 
this writing has been on the wall for a while. there was a time when i used to congratulate people for closing on their new house. now i just feel sorry for them for about 7 seconds, and then i remember they almost assuredly voted for their own demise.

there's a reason the saying has been "keeping up with the joneses" and not "keeping up with the romans".