Search Strategies for Email Submits

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mstef

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Hey,

I feel like running some campaigns for email submits - mostly the free gift card ones. Maybe mobile PIN submits too because they pay higher. I'm a bit confused though when it comes to PPC - how the best way to target people is. Barely anyone searches 'free whatever gift card', and bidding for the stores keyword is way too expensive. I feel like having an ad that advertises a free giftcard or something would probably click through well on any semi-related search.

I know no one likes to give away great tips but maybe just some general ideas would be cool...

Thanks
 


A general idea would be to go to PPC Coach and use the first method taught there, which is for email submits, using polls.
you could look up the old polls method thread on here (bidding on news headlines, using search network), but using polls on content is a better strategy imo.

if you're 'confused about ppc' you sound very close to jumping in the deep end without your floaties
 
if you're 'confused about ppc' you sound very close to jumping in the deep end without your floaties

The best way to learn...

Thanks for the tip but I'm not interested in paying to learn. I'm sure it is helpful though.
 
Polls + news sounds interesting...

"enter your email to cast your vote" ?
 
I'd say leave email submits alone period.

They died a long time ago when the scrubbing began. Their payouts ares low now that coupled with overdone scrubbing, it's just not worth it for the margins you'll get if you get any at all.
 
I'd say leave email submits alone period.

They died a long time ago when the scrubbing began. Their payouts ares low now that coupled with overdone scrubbing, it's just not worth it for the margins you'll get if you get any at all.

I'm pretty sure they died after the myspace spamming craze.
 
The best way to learn...

Thanks for the tip but I'm not interested in paying to learn. I'm sure it is helpful though.
You have to pay to learn in affiliate marketing regardless. It's going to be in testing costs or in PPC coach, which will likely reduce you testing costs, but you're going to have to pay.
 
You have to pay to learn in affiliate marketing regardless. It's going to be in testing costs or in PPC coach, which will likely reduce you testing costs, but you're going to have to pay.

Well I didn't mean it like that then...of course I know I have to pay to learn in that sense. I meant I'm not willing to pay for someone to teach me...

I've already paid for what I know so far..google and facebook thank me so far
 
Keep in mind it can make the process much faster to pay. As in instead of asking beginner questions, then testing, making mistakes, etc, you can just learn all that stuff just as well + faster with certain programs like PPC-Coach. Just don't buy ebooks.
 
Email Submits are a nice way to learn PPC, because you can throw together a quick little Poll site and get some experience setting up campaigns, but as soon as you've spent $20 and made back $5, switch to something more solid. Email Submits will never be a sustainable business model for you.

P.S. PPC Coach is actually worth the money. Believe the hype.
 
I made a post on PPC-Coach about a month ago on this topic, might as well paste it here since it seems relevant:

The below tips/suggestions are from my own personal experience with email submits back when I ran them.

Selecting Keywords

This is a very important as many of you should know at this point. It's not as simple as just filling up your keyword list with keywords, since sooner or later your QS will drop, and your bids will go up. Once your bids go up, your ROI will pummel. Must I mention that your QS WILL go down due to the lack of quality of poll pages. So what you must do is target high traffic keywords that you can get out within a day or two. The easiest way of locating such keywords is by reading the news. If something major happens on the news, then people will be Google'ing in the title of the news. Now, the traffic will most likely decrease and drop by the next day, but for the day that it is major, the keyword title will get a lot of searches. Not only that, but there will be no competition, so your bids can be low also. Everyday you delete the keywords from yesterday and add more based on today's date and so on. This has to be an ongoing process.

Obviously make the poll relate to the story keywords your targeting.

Selecting Offer

This is also another issue, don't promote something that has been seen everywhere already. I'm quite sure that every person on the internet has seen an ad for a free iPhone, so be more original and find a submit for a product that has been less seen. What's even better is find a niche product, like free make-up, or a free vacation; these have a much lower scrub rate.

Handling Your Campaign


This is VERY important. 95% of submits will start scrubbing you soon after you bring a dozen or so conversions. Typically this happens within 24 hours. So what you must do is rotate your submits frequently. Have 10 email submits at hand, and every 12 hours, rotate another one in, and keep repeating the cycle. This will minimize the amount of scrubbing you get on your campaign.

Landing Page


Couple members I've seen had posted their landing page, and I noticed a couple huge problems. First of all, you should not have any external links on your poll page, besides the link to your submit. Don't place any news articles that lead the visitor out of your LP, you're pretty much giving away your visitor. Another thing, make sure that the whole poll page is above the fold. The visitor should not need to scroll down the page to see anything, everything needs to be compact right in front of them. The last thing is to use a darker color outside the poll table, and a lighter color inside the poll table. A human being will always cast his attention directly to the lighter area by nature.
 
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Some guys do super well with email submits, most people do a little in profit then do something else.

If you want to learn them a good way , PPC coach has month 1 dedicated to them, and I'm offering a discount :)
 
The best way to learn...

Thanks for the tip but I'm not interested in paying to learn. I'm sure it is helpful though.
then be prepared to lose a shitload of money in testing.

Shit, no one needs a coach do they. Tiger doesn't need one (but he does) Kobe doesn't need one (but he does) and Federer doesn't need one (but he does too)

Wait, all those guys are losers so I'll stick to my "learn it myself" attitude.

Honestly man, change your attitude or else you are fucked.
 
then be prepared to lose a shitload of money in testing.

Shit, no one needs a coach do they. Tiger doesn't need one (but he does) Kobe doesn't need one (but he does) and Federer doesn't need one (but he does too)

Wait, all those guys are losers so I'll stick to my "learn it myself" attitude.

Honestly man, change your attitude or else you are fucked.

Good post, I want to follow up on that. The reason why those three top professionals need a coach; is because they need someone to "push" them. In their cases, it's training. Now, when it comes to paying to learn information, like PPC-Coach offers, you are more motivated to learn. Why? Because you just put your cold earned cash on the table, and off course want a compensation for it.

But that varies per person. Some people need to be pushed, there are many that will spend years reading free information online, and never get anything done; so they simply aren't pushing themselves to succeed.
 
then be prepared to lose a shitload of money in testing.

Shit, no one needs a coach do they. Tiger doesn't need one (but he does) Kobe doesn't need one (but he does) and Federer doesn't need one (but he does too)

Wait, all those guys are losers so I'll stick to my "learn it myself" attitude.

Honestly man, change your attitude or else you are fucked.

I understand your point, I've just learned everything I basically know from teaching myself and I found it to be 100% faster and more effective that way - and a majority of that 'stuff' is computer related - especially from a programming & graphic design point of view. I understand it takes money to learn - and I have lost some already, although I'm not doing as "bad" as most newbs seem to be doing.

Maybe I'll consider PPC-Coach. How does it work exactly??

Also, thanks for the tips. I'll ditch email submits. I've just been looking into them because the conversion rates seem like they would be extremely high. It's just annoying when someone searches "buy {my offer} right now", clicks on my ad, and doesn't convert. My first real campaign broke just about even so I'm pretty happy with the results so far.
 
hey,

i've been in ppc marketing for about 2 years now. i've been working especially with adwords intensively the last half year. however i'm new to promoting CPA offers via PPC. is PPC coach the right ressource to have a steep learning curve for this? i want to learn such things as: choosing the right offer, techniques and methods for promoting the offers etc.
 
Good post, I want to follow up on that. The reason why those three top professionals need a coach; is because they need someone to "push" them. In their cases, it's training. Now, when it comes to paying to learn information, like PPC-Coach offers, you are more motivated to learn. Why? Because you just put your cold earned cash on the table, and off course want a compensation for it.

But that varies per person. Some people need to be pushed, there are many that will spend years reading free information online, and never get anything done; so they simply aren't pushing themselves to succeed.

I doubt that Tiger is paying a coach just to be pushed. A coach can aslo give you some other angles to improve your performance, even if your name is Tiger Woods.
 
hey,

i've been in ppc marketing for about 2 years now. i've been working especially with adwords intensively the last half year. however i'm new to promoting CPA offers via PPC. is PPC coach the right ressource to have a steep learning curve for this? i want to learn such things as: choosing the right offer, techniques and methods for promoting the offers etc.

yep, it would be right for that
 
then be prepared to lose a shitload of money in testing.

Shit, no one needs a coach do they. Tiger doesn't need one (but he does) Kobe doesn't need one (but he does) and Federer doesn't need one (but he does too)

Wait, all those guys are losers so I'll stick to my "learn it myself" attitude.

Honestly man, change your attitude or else you are fucked.
And if PPC coach actually coached every single person that's paying to be in that course then your analogy would be dead on.

I guess instead it should be more like Tiger Woods doesn't need an ebook and access to a forum full of semi-pro golfers....But he does?

Not knocking the course. I took it and found it to be solid. But I just don't like it when I see people portraying it as a "coaching" experience. Because it's not. True coaching would cost FAR more than $50 a month. Noobs should know that this isn't some secret loophole to get around that fact.
 
hey,

i've been in ppc marketing for about 2 years now. i've been working especially with adwords intensively the last half year. however i'm new to promoting CPA offers via PPC. is PPC coach the right ressource to have a steep learning curve for this? i want to learn such things as: choosing the right offer, techniques and methods for promoting the offers etc.
If you're already an expert in adwords I doubt you would really need it because that's its main focus. They have some useful tools for posting campaigns though.
 
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