So Long, US Dollar (Petrodollar article)

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I am a big fan of the guys at Casey Research, and I thought this article by Marin Katusa might be appreciate by some folks around here.

So Long, US Dollar - Casey Research

There's a major shift under way, one the US mainstream media has left largely untouched even though it will send the United States into an economic maelstrom and dramatically reduce the country's importance in the world: the demise of the US dollar as the world's reserve currency.

For decades the US dollar has been absolutely dominant in international trade, especially in the oil markets. This role has created immense demand for US dollars, and that international demand constitutes a huge part of the dollar's valuation. Not only did the global-currency role add massive value to the dollar, it also created an almost endless pool of demand for US Treasuries as countries around the world sought to maintain stores of petrodollars. The availability of all this credit, denominated in a dollar supported by nothing less than the entirety of global trade, enabled the American federal government to borrow without limit and spend with abandon.

The dominance of the dollar gave the United States incredible power and influence around the world… but the times they are a-changing. As the world's emerging economies gain ever more prominence, the US is losing hold of its position as the world's superpower. Many on the long list of nations that dislike America are pondering ways to reduce American influence in their affairs. Ditching the dollar is a very good start.

In fact, they are doing more than pondering. Over the past few years China and other emerging powers such as Russia have been quietly making agreements to move away from the US dollar in international trade. Several major oil-producing nations have begun selling oil in currencies other than the dollar, and both the United Nations and the International Monetary Fund (IMF) have issued reports arguing for the need to create a new global reserve currency independent of the dollar.

The supremacy of the dollar is not nearly as solid as most Americans believe it to be. More generally, the United States is not the global superpower it once was. These trends are very much connected, as demonstrated by the world's response to US sanctions against Iran.

US allies, including much of Europe and parts of Asia, fell into line quickly, reducing imports of Iranian oil. But a good number of Iran's clients do not feel the need to toe America's party line, and Iran certainly doesn't feel any need to take orders from the US. Some countries have objected to America's sanctions on Iran vocally, adamantly refusing to be ordered around. Others are being more discreet, choosing instead to simply trade with Iran through avenues that get around the sanctions.

It's ironic. The United States fashioned its Iranian sanctions assuming that oil trades occur in US dollars. That assumption – an echo of the more general assumption that the US dollar will continue to dominate international trade – has given countries unfriendly to the US a great reason to continue their moves away from the dollar: if they don't trade in dollars, America's dollar-centric policies carry no weight! It's a classic backfire: sanctions intended in part to illustrate the US's continued world supremacy are in fact encouraging countries disillusioned with that very notion to continue their moves away from the US currency, a slow but steady trend that will eat away at its economic power until there is little left.

Let's delve into both situations – the demise of the dollar's dominance and the Iranian sanction shortcuts – in more detail.

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Exactly. Until a another country becomes as stable as the US what else you going to use
The Yuan which is being manipulated.
 
What currency do I want to hold then?

Choose a few that haven't been steadily declining for the past decade due to debasement and are not now poised for a collapse if the demise of the petrodollar occurs. There are quite a few. For example:

Singapore Dollar
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Swiss Franc
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Even the currencies of many banana republics are better to hold than the USD. The Thai baht, for example, has been very good to me
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measure success of currency x in currency y. interesting. they all suffer from inflation. relatively to each other, you might gain some value, but on an absolute scale, you lose every time you hold fiat currency. likewise, investing in gold isnt supposed to make you money, its just supposed to preserve the value youve already got. some forex trader gains 20% a year? thats not huge success. it barely beats inflation these days. pull out your gold chart. that huge increase over the last couple years? gold didnt shoot up that much. its just that all those currencies took that big a hit.

go ahead, buy some thorium. shit wont depreciate, because its rare.
 
measure success of currency x in currency y. interesting. they all suffer from inflation. relatively to each other, you might gain some value, but on an absolute scale, you lose every time you hold fiat currency. likewise, investing in gold isnt supposed to make you money, its just supposed to preserve the value youve already got. some forex trader gains 20% a year? thats not huge success. it barely beats inflation these days. pull out your gold chart. that huge increase over the last couple years? gold didnt shoot up that much. its just that all those currencies took that big a hit.

go ahead, buy some thorium. shit wont depreciate, because its rare.

So true. All fiat currencies are a house of cards and will collapse when governments inflate. In the mean time since you need currency to do any kind of commerce it probably makes sense to abandon the ones that are failing the fastest.


JPY/CHF. Those currencies rise when the rest of the world's decline.

I don't know. JPY is popular with speculators but isn't Japan just a hollow shell waiting to collapse on itself? It's got the highest debt in the developed world, has been stagnant for a decade and events haven't been kind to it in the last year or so (tsunami, nuclear reactor problem followed by moves to shut down more reactors and a power shortage in the country, then the Thailand floods that hurt automobile production). Is there anything at all behind the JPY anymore?
 
USD = Google
Yahoo = Yuan
Euro = Bing
Precious / Rare-earth metals = Your own brand / audience / list
 
If you want to know what to buy or invest in before a currency crashes: its commodities. (sure add some gold, but commodities are king)

I think the world is headed towards a disaster like 1929 (really worse). When it will happen who knows... a lot of levers still to pull.

But dont look forward to it... last time it gave birth to Adolf Hitler.

The Euro Zone has markets that are bigger then the us , and there in trouble.

The fed has been printing, the ecb has been printing, loans, china pumping money into there system.. heating up the real estate markets there and more there...

What you hear about a lot, is the poor growth in the us. the us debt is exploding at 1 Million every 35 Seconds.

Have a Nice Day.
 
I understand that view. After the treaty it was really impossible for germany to live up to all of it.

When the crash happened, it touched germany which hit them with high unemployment.

The 1929 Crash shaped the 20th Century, and the birth of Adolf Hitler. Without it, i dont think the nazi party would of taken power.

The world is very weak now, even the us. Imagine a world were the us would face a power with more powerful weapons, better tactics on the battlefield etc.. we would never go to war.

But many of this forum hate americas military power, it will end soon the way we know it today.... they will need the money to pay off all the entitlements to save off crashin the whole system.. the military will go first.. then benefits.. higher taxes.. printing money..
 
I understand that view. After the treaty it was really impossible for germany to live up to all of it.

When the crash happened, it touched germany which hit them with high unemployment.

The 1929 Crash shaped the 20th Century, and the birth of Adolf Hitler. Without it, i dont think the nazi party would of taken power.

The world is very weak now, even the us. Imagine a world were the us would face a power with more powerful weapons, better tactics on the battlefield etc.. we would never go to war.

But many of this forum hate americas military power, it will end soon the way we know it today.... they will need the money to pay off all the entitlements to save off crashin the whole system.. the military will go first.. then benefits.. higher taxes.. printing money..


Good points, but I think it's prudent to keep in mind that America's military will not dissolve. It will be transferred to a global power/control.. in fact that process has already begun. This isn't the 1900's anymore...digitized currencies and systems allow for far more control, manipulation, and planning.

And I don't think people on this forum hate "America's" military might...it's more they hate the misuse and and misdirection of it. This sentiment will no doubt increase with time and "progress".
 
CHF used to be the currency of choice, but with the floor price it isn't as appealing. I like GBP at the moment because it is just as likely to drop when the EUR tanks and USD tanks, but just not to the extent, so in the long term it should be profitable (assuming you live in the US or Eurozone).
 
There is a problem with the CHF though, the national bank is trying to keep the CHF/EURO ratio stable... idiots...

Their national debt is quite different than the ones of all the other countries.

This is why it is sustainable. And has been for decades.
 
CHF used to be the currency of choice, but with the floor price it isn't as appealing. I like GBP at the moment because it is just as likely to drop when the EUR tanks and USD tanks, but just not to the extent, so in the long term it should be profitable (assuming you live in the US or Eurozone).

would you rather cut your pinky than your thumb off? probably, but itd still suck