If only all religious debates could be this mature, the world would be a different place.
BBC iPlayer - The Case for God?
BBC iPlayer - The Case for God?
The Case For God
- Thread starter christopherim
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Don't be so sure, we've had 2008 olympic threads turn into "Bush is a nazi" and "9.11 was an inside job" threads.
Found the same videos on Youtube. Pretty interesting stuff. I particularly liked the discussion with the scientist. It's a theme I've been thinking about a lot lately.
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i like the scientist part. If I ever met an evolutionary scientist I'd ask him if he thought it was possible for human beings to ever evolve or technologically advance into deities (like being able to use 100% of our brains) and be able to create their own universes and control matter and such.
I think we have devolved.
We or some other creature on earth was more advanced than we are now.
Then we nuked the fuck out of the world, or went to war with aliens and lost, or suffered a massive natural disaster.
Then we had to evolve again, just to repeat some time in the near future. :rasta:
Most things explainable by God can be explained by normal phenomena.
Morality comes from humans' interests. We sort of make rules that help us to cooperate better achieving common interests. For that to work, we need to properly align our interests to those common interests, say productivity.
At least that's the sunday school white hat side of morality. The other theory is peking order theory where morality is just the interest of the strong.
Yet people claim that their morality comes from God. That way they can gain more support for their political agenda. That explains away God.
Morality comes from humans' interests. We sort of make rules that help us to cooperate better achieving common interests. For that to work, we need to properly align our interests to those common interests, say productivity.
At least that's the sunday school white hat side of morality. The other theory is peking order theory where morality is just the interest of the strong.
Yet people claim that their morality comes from God. That way they can gain more support for their political agenda. That explains away God.
First you will have to thoroughly explain what a deity actually is and how the powers and abilities of that deity works.
Believing in anything is merely commanding yourself that from now own you have a certain set of thoughts which you won't allow to change. You will offer tremendous resistance, and perhaps never change what's in your little box of beliefs until you die. Mountains of evidence, reasoning, and facts will only make you cling to your belief like your life depended on it. Your identity is under threat, your emotions, your very being.
Repeat after me,
When I die, I will become a rotting corpse. Just like all the believers and the doubters, the animals and the insects. I accept this, and don't need to prance around the idea of death with a version that suits my emotions.
The only sin, the only moral injustice, is a mind which has created belief around a subject. You're conscious for fuck sakes, doubt until your mind bleeds, don't sit on the la-z-boy of belief. Keep wondering until you die, if you stay trapped in your unconscious resistance patterns to what you wish, rather than what is, you're just going to waste the one life you'll ever have. You will have willingly let your brain rot, long before the death you fear so much.
Repeat after me,
When I die, I will become a rotting corpse. Just like all the believers and the doubters, the animals and the insects. I accept this, and don't need to prance around the idea of death with a version that suits my emotions.
The only sin, the only moral injustice, is a mind which has created belief around a subject. You're conscious for fuck sakes, doubt until your mind bleeds, don't sit on the la-z-boy of belief. Keep wondering until you die, if you stay trapped in your unconscious resistance patterns to what you wish, rather than what is, you're just going to waste the one life you'll ever have. You will have willingly let your brain rot, long before the death you fear so much.
We use pretty much all of our brains, a quick search brings up loads of stuff on it.