The "invisible Popup" or "embedded link" trick on landing pages

[thedamian]

Anyone heard of the "invisible Popup" or "embedded link" trick on landing pages? :xomunch:

The Adwords Blackbook DVDs promote a service from "gotrythis" where their biggest selling point is that they do this.

It adds javascript ("code" for the non programmers) that places the actual's advertisers page inside your sales letter or squeeze page.

This is used for several reasons:

1. You are avoiding YOUR client from seeing the ugly sales letter the advertiser and want YOUR client to see yours and then go directly to the shopping cart.
2. A way to get the email of YOUR client before you send him/her to get your advertiser's product.
3. Maybe a way to get credit for the fact that the Client clicked on YOUR site first before clicking back and then going to the REAL advertiser's page (but sorry...now he has YOUR cookie and YOU will get credit for the sale)

This is what they do, they add code that looks like this to the end of the page:
<script>
var nludcxop = new String(unescape('%3C%4F%42%4A%45%63%54%.....[rest removed for this post]'));
document.write(nludcxop.toLowerCase());
</script>


This essentially writes this HTML into the page (through javascript)
<object codetype='text/html' data='http://www.kqzyfj.com/click-xxxxxxx-xxxxxx' width='0' height='0'></object>


It's done in javascript (and "escaped") to make it harder for google to realize that your site is essentially just a front page for the real offer.

So...Anyone using this trick? Is this a good idea? :bigear:

 

[emp]

Not a good idea.

::emp::

Oh... you need a reason? Well, google has this little thing, ya know... they get kinda hung up about users landing on a different URL than advertised.

 

[aim]

Ever heard of an iframe?

 

[zigzag]

emp and aim I don't think you understood thedamian. Its and invisible popup that cookies your visitor with your affiliate link.

So if you where promoting something for cj and you had your review page. People land on your review page for the product don't click on the link, but they still get cookied with your affiliate ID if they go to the site. You also wont have to direct visitors directly to the affiliate link since there already cookied you can just send them staright to the order page or any page on the merchants site.

The owner of this forum could probably make some money using it himslef on this forum. Like everytime one of those scammy ebooks/courses come out he could add the invisible popup to this forum and cookie everybody for that product and then on launch day he would probably have a couple of sales.

I think it a good trick and it will save some sales in the end.

 

[elime]

It's called cookie stuffing, nothing new. Aim had it right with the iframe comment.

 

[bluebobbo]

If you mean cookie stuffing... It's about 10 years too late...

ALTHOUGH

It's a great way to get slapped in the face by whatever advertiser you're stuffing cookies for.

 

[johu]

Do NOT attempt this with CJ. You will get caught, and your commission will most likely be reversed.

Note: I work with a few CJ advertisers on managing their affiliate programs. This isn't wild speculation, this is what happens. It's pretty obvious to the advertiser and CJ's network quality team, and is against CJ's TOS.

 

[thedamian]

Do NOT attempt this with CJ. You will get caught, and your commission will most likely be reversed.

But if you look carefully FIRST no advertiser would know. and more importantly normally you'd do this because the advertiser's sale page SUCKS (how many of us can say that's NOT true for the offer we're advertising)

But I do appreciate the comments.

P.S. IFrames???? Please. That's that whole idea of this. It ISN'T an iframe and so google won't get bothered by it.

 

[johu]

But if you look carefully FIRST no advertiser would know. and more importantly normally you'd do this because the advertiser's sale page SUCKS (how many of us can say that's NOT true for the offer we're advertising)

What do you mean by "no advertiser would know"? Anyway, there are legitimate ways to redirect to any page on an advertiser's site, as long as you use a link that allows URL redirects (if the merchant has product links setup, it's possible). You could always ask the affiliate manager of the program to setup a proper link for you.

 

[cylai]

I used it with Clickbank product with medium success.

You don't need some fancy scripts ( I own gotrythis but was not very pleased with it). Just add the following script in your landing page:
<IMG height=1 src="www.youraffliatelink.com" width=1>

 

[Bearded]

Or if you're really sneaky, add this to your .htaccess in an empty directory like "images" or something similar:

RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule (.+)/(.+).jpg http://youraffid.$1.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=$2 [R,L]

Then all you have to do is somewhere on your sales page add:
<IMG height=1 src="http://myurl.com/images/publishername/tid.jpg" width=1>

Where "publishername" is the cb publisher id, and tid is whatever you want your tracking id to be.

You can even use this in forum signature and everyone who looks at the thread will get cookied.

Use this at your own risk.

 

[iamstupid]

Too bad cookie stuffing will get you banned. So old.

 

[thedamian]

RewriteEngine On
RewriteRule (.+)/(.+).jpg http://youraffid.$1.hop.clickbank.net/?tid=$2 [R,L]

Then all you have to do is somewhere on your sales page add:
<IMG height=1 src="http://myurl.com/images/publishername/tid.jpg" width=1>

Excellent. The idea behind the original design is that it's suppose to sneak by google's filters, but yours is MUCH better.

And for you that want to know WHY you'd do this, there are several reasons, but one isn't to FUCK over the advertiser. It's to get MORE SALES for the advertiser.

 

[iamstupid]

If you get banned does it matter if the advertiser benefits?

 

[Bearded]

The main thing is not to stuff like 50 cookies at a time just on the off chance the person will buy something.

Here's the best use of the code I posted:

Write a pre-sell page where you cookie the visitor when the page loads.

Then instead of linking to xxx.pub.hop.clickbank.net, you can link directly to the order page. Your link will look like 1.publisher.pay.clickbank.net. This way they don't have to wade through the whole site, since they're already presold.

Look at it this way. A lot of people are direct linking in adwords. So you click on an adwords ad and you get cookied. My way, you click on an adwords ad, get cookied, and then get the opportunity to read a real review/proof-of-earnings type page that gives good information about the product. Isn't that better than just direct linking?

 

[Wiy]

I wouldn't want to risk my account. If I am not mistaken, that's consider "cookie stuffing"

 

[thedamian]

Thanks again for your comments Bearded and like I explained, I am not trying to ask you if for example WF should "cookie stuff" this forum.

I'm talking about exactly what you are talking about:

Skipping the sales letter

Have you seen perry marshall's landing page, or anything from joel comm's offers? One LONG ass letter that I CAN'T believe would convert better than a screen full of dancing hamsters.

So you put my code (or Bearded's code) and then you forward to the shopping cart.

The client get's her ebook or offer, the advertiser get's his sale, and I get my commission.