Transgenders: Does Your Son Want To Be Your Daughter?

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Transgenders. Boys want to be girls. Girls want to be boys. And Chaz Bono keeps scaring us all.

A recent case is being reported on CNN (click here for the story) involving this cute little girl...


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She thinks she should be able to use the girls' restroom at her school like all the other little girls. The problem is, she was born with boy parts.

The state of Colorado is fine with the kid being a girl. The feds seems to be fine with it, too, as evidenced by the passport they issued him/her. But the school's officials ain't having it. In their words...

"That there's a penis... that there's a boy. Show me a vagina, and I'll show you a girl." - principal at Eagleside Elementary School*
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And so attorneys have been called. Swords are being rattled. Crude jokes are being crafted. And somewhere, a politician is licking his lips for the chance to create his/her legacy.

Oh, and just because...


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By the way, if you have the time, here's a very good article on transgender from the November 2008 issue of The Atlantic:

A Boy's Life - The Atlantic



* Editor's note: the principal of Eagleside Elementary School said no such thing. We apologize for any confusion or offense this may have caused.
 


"That there's a penis... that there's a boy. Show me a vagina, and I'll show you a girl."
-quote from the burly principal as shown below:

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Sexual identity disorder is just that - a disorder.

Crossdessing is a fetish well described by common psycological theory, in the realm of schizoid personality disorders (appropriating the domineering mother to get a hard on).

Trannies who have their dicks cut off often regret it. They find out that it doesn't make them happy. Often times, sexual identy disorders go along with a whole lot of other mental issues (as does homosex). The pc brigade of course interpretates this as stemming from bullying, but in reality it just means the trannies are fucked up.

Sick world.
 
I think this is a much deeper concept than people are prepared to handle. If only viewed from a physical level I think proper perspective is lost. Spiritually speaking who you are is neither male nor female. Gender comes into play at the physical level. At the spiritual level we are simply energy, capable of being whatever we desire. We can choose to enter this reality to learn whatever lessons we want to learn whatever ways we choose to learn them.

If we are more associated with male tendencies of power and logic we can enter this reality and grow that way. If we are more associated with female tendencies of submission and love we can enter this reality and grow that way. If we are up for an even greater challenge of choosing a body against our bias we can go that way. It's not so clean cut as saying you are your physical body. Our physical bodies are vehicles for our true selves at a higher reality. We don't always have to go with our physical bodies and we can use our physical bodies to help us grow whichever way we choose. There isn't a right or wrong way. After being male time and time again it may be time for a change. After being female time and time again it may be time for a change. Maybe being born in a male body for someone with female tendencies will really cause you to look truly deep into who you really are and teach you to become a better person without having to rely on your physical appearance like so many women do.

It's hard to call something a disorder when we don't know what it is people want on their personal journey. We are all on our own journeys with our own goals and desires. You can be just as disorderly heterosexually as you can homosexually, transsexually or transgenderly. It depends on the person. You can't throw a blanket around everyone and say they're this or they're that. There's no such thing. There is much more to it.
 
slayerment said:
I think this is a much deeper concept than people are prepared to handle. If only viewed from a physical level I think proper perspective is lost. Spiritually speaking who you are is neither male nor female. Gender comes into play at the physical level. At the spiritual level we are simply energy, capable of being whatever we desire. We can choose to enter this reality to learn whatever lessons we want to learn whatever ways we choose to learn them.

If we are more associated with male tendencies of power and logic we can enter this reality and grow that way. If we are more associated with female tendencies of submission and love we can enter this reality and grow that way. If we are up for an even greater challenge of choosing a body against our bias we can go that way. It's not so clean cut as saying you are your physical body. Our physical bodies are vehicles for our true selves at a higher reality. We don't always have to go with our physical bodies and we can use our physical bodies to help us grow whichever way we choose. There isn't a right or wrong way. After being male time and time again it may be time for a change. After being female time and time again it may be time for a change. Maybe being born in a male body for someone with female tendencies will really cause you to look truly deep into who you really are and teach you to become a better person without having to rely on your physical appearance like so many women do.

It's hard to call something a disorder when we don't know what it is people want on their personal journey. We are all on our own journeys with our own goals and desires. You can be just as disorderly heterosexually as you can homosexually, transsexually or transgenderly. It depends on the person. You can't throw a blanket around everyone and say they're this or they're that. There's no such thing. There is much more to it.
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Saw this earlier as well and I don't think this kid should be allowed to use the girls bathroom. How the fuck does a little boy get to decide he wants to be a girl?

I'm not so sure the feds are cool with it either because im assuming they just dressed the boy up as a girl, took the photo, checked female, and sent the paperwork in for the passport.
 
rusvik said:
Sexual identity disorder is just that - a disorder.

Crossdessing is a fetish well described by common psycological theory, in the realm of schizoid personality disorders (appropriating the domineering mother to get a hard on).

Trannies who have their dicks cut off often regret it. They find out that it doesn't make them happy. Often times, sexual identy disorders go along with a whole lot of other mental issues (as does homosex). The pc brigade of course interpretates this as stemming from bullying, but in reality it just means the trannies are fucked up.

Sick world.
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Here is a quote for you:

Never before did I know that mental illness could have power. Think of it: the more insane a man is, the more powerful he becomes. Hitler is an example. Fair makes the old brain weak , doesn't it?
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I'd be scared if the pharma-whores who postulate as representatives of science would diagnose me as normal. That would mean I'm in the state they want me in.

And no, I'm not a tranny. Just someone who recognizes that our greatest strength and weaknesses are deeply interconnected. And also someone who understands that everytime they update their DSM they lower the threashold of who is 'abnormal' because they are basically glorified, murderous drug dealers. At least the guy slinging heroin, the people selling weapons, the guys slinging tobacco... they aren't making any excuses for what they sell. But these bastards are as hypocritical and self righteous as they come. They are second only to religion.
 
Homosexuality and these other fucking weird fetishes like crossdressing are all mental disorders.

A man is born with a cock and a woman is born with a pussy. Know why? Because they are supposed to fucking fit together like that to make offspring. Anyone who says being gay is "perfectly normal" is a retarded faggot who can't see that a dick and pussy were perfectly created for one another.

Fuck you.

EDIT: Nevermind, forgot about dicks and assholes. Everyone carry on with your normal activity, everything is cool.
 
greenleaves said:
Here is a quote for you:

I'd be scared if the pharma-whores who postulate as representatives of science would diagnose me as normal. That would mean I'm in the state they want me in.

And no, I'm not a tranny. Just someone who recognizes that our greatest strength and weaknesses are deeply interconnected. And also someone who understands that everytime they update their DSM they lower the threashold of who is 'abnormal' because they are basically glorified, murderous drug dealers. At least the guy slinging heroin, the people selling weapons, the guys slinging tobacco... they aren't making any excuses for what they sell. But these bastards are as hypocritical and self righteous as they come. They are second only to religion.
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I'm just saying that encouraging sexual identity issues may not be a smart idea. I don't doubt that some people really feel like they're born in the wrong body, but encouraging young boys to take female hormons and have their genitals cut off is just sick. Imagine how confused most teenagers are about who they are in general, would you really feel like it's a good idea to have them permanently disfigure themselves?

I've seen these young trannies in Thailand. Boys as young as 12-13 take female hormones which are OTC there and it fucks them up for life, their life expectancy is low, many are absolutely crazy. I wonder how many trannies there are just homos. For some reason, in Thailand, it's more culturally accepted to be a katoey ladyboy than to be gay.

Not a fan of psychiatry either. Most psyciatrists are nothing more than pharmacists and their knowledge of pscylogy is near zero.
 
This seems dangerous to me - gender identity is quite fluid, and it's not unusual for kids to fluctuate a bit whilst their personality is forming. If a full-grown adult is convinced they were born with the wrong chromosomes, fair enough, but this just smacks of meddling.
 
who gives a fuck. they're body parts. it's like people who get "offended" at breastfeeding in public. flesh, skin, oooOOOOooo, scary stuff, isn't.
 
Not saying I have all the answers but I have some observations.

One of them is that every single gay guy I knew in high school FIRST tried getting with a chick but was rejected by the chick. Other people I've talked to say something similar about gay guys they knew. I know that's not always going to be the case but there is definitely at least some portion of 'gay' guys that are gay by choice, or cause of low confidence with chicks, afraid of rejection, revolting against rejection, or because it's a fad, etc, etc.

There are possibly people more genetically gay than others but my guess is it's just that the human consciousness is made to be highly impressionable and flexible.

Think about Pavlov's dogs. We are animals and can be conditioned in the same way. Imagine what would happen to a person who was experimented on by some crazy asshole who waited for the subject to jerk off.. then right at the time of orgasm flashed pictures of chickens in front of his face. My guess is that if this happened enough that dude would have a Pavlovian attraction to chickens.

I think sometimes real fetishes are probably formed in this way. How else can anyone explain a god damn idiotic foot fetish other than that's often what you see when you got some chicks legs propped up while doing her. Anyway, my guess is homosexuality can also arise like this.. like if someone's first experiences are with guys by force or by consent.

So my money is really on the nurture side of things than nature. It's really a mix of nurture, conditioning, conscious feedback and our flexible/impressionable nature. There might be some nature (genetics) but who can deny the massive amount of nurture evidence - besides the idiotic media who don't know shit about science or how to interpret papers on genetics and who think correlation = causation and who desperately want there to be a simple gene for every human behavior.
 
dreamache said:
who gives a fuck. they're body parts. it's like people who get "offended" at breastfeeding in public. flesh, skin, oooOOOOooo, scary stuff, isn't.
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For the most part I agree.

But there's no way a kid that young can make that kind of decision. Even if your 6 year old likes to play with makeup or play dress-up, I see absolutely no reason to send him to school dressed like a girl.

That's just asking for confusion, ridicule and abuse.

That's a decision they can make when they're older.

I can't see how this lifestyle is 100% decided by the child with no influence from the parents. A child is going to wear the clothes you buy for them.
 
WickedJoe said:
Not saying I have all the answers but I have some observations.

One of them is that every single gay guy I knew in high school FIRST tried getting with a chick but was rejected by the chick. Other people I've talked to say something similar about gay guys they knew.
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This guy is gay, somehow I don't think he would struggle getting a woman.

I've got the exact same anecdotal evidence, but instead of it suggesting that gays struggled with women, it was the exact opposite. All my close gay friends all had girlfriends and sex with multiple partners before they finally came out.

I'd like to see some studies on twins in terms of sexuality, all the twins I know share the same sexual attraction.
 
tencentpiece said:
This guy is gay, somehow I don't think he would struggle getting a woman.

I've got the exact same anecdotal evidence, but instead of it suggesting that gays struggled with women, it was the exact opposite. All my close gay friends all had girlfriends and sex with multiple partners before they finally came out.

I'd like to see some studies on twins in terms of sexuality, all the twins I know share the same sexual attraction.
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If you read my words you'll see I tried not to generalize the rejection thing to all homosexuals. I said 'some' and 'probably' many times. I also offered the whole pavlovian thing too. My point is that I just deny it's as genetic as some would have you believe. It's probably more how our brain ends up getting wired in our life from experiences and our conscious feedback.

Of course if you tell a gay guy he's gay cause he was rejected they'll all deny that though. They'd be extremely offended. But still.. not saying this is the cause with all or even the majority of them.

I agree the twin study would be good, as long as they were raised in completely different countries and never even met eachother or the same people who will influence them in the same ways.
 
WickedJoe said:
One of them is that every single gay guy I knew in high school FIRST tried getting with a chick but was rejected by the chick. Other people I've talked to say something similar about gay guys they knew. I know that's not always going to be the case but there is definitely at least some portion of 'gay' guys that are gay by choice, or cause of low confidence with chicks, afraid of rejection, revolting against rejection, or because it's a fad, etc, etc.
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I could see getting rejected by some buxom mexican chick and then being afraid to go after big breasted bonitas in the future, but to be like "fuck this I'm suckin dicks!" seems a little extreme.
 
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