TSA Body Scanners
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Hey, we already have a witty foreigner who speaks in broken English, go find another forum for your act.
Why should anyone be offended by this?
You have no right to privacy if you want to get on an airplane, period. The legal precedent is clear.
If you don't like that - fine. Take the bus. Take the train. Drive...but stay off the plane.
Plus - as a doctor friend of mine told me - even he doesn't care anymore when he sees the really hot ones naked. Professionals get over it. It's like counting money in the till when you work at a store - you don't look at it the same way as your own money. People who think they are going to get "checked out" during a scan are way too egotistical.
You have no right to privacy if you want to get on an airplane, period. The legal precedent is clear.
If you don't like that - fine. Take the bus. Take the train. Drive...but stay off the plane.
Plus - as a doctor friend of mine told me - even he doesn't care anymore when he sees the really hot ones naked. Professionals get over it. It's like counting money in the till when you work at a store - you don't look at it the same way as your own money. People who think they are going to get "checked out" during a scan are way too egotistical.
If the problem is another human being looking at your junk, then we could remove human security from the equation and have computers profile you... but nooo we have to call that big-brother-mentality. 
I agree enough is enough.
Sharksfan, If you think you are not entitled to privacy if you fly on a plane you are wrong. No one will see my wife or kids naked for the sake of security, it won't happen.
People have privacy up to a point, and naked body scanners cross the line.
If all Americans except this, we won't be able to take a bus like you suggest without getting scanned also. It starts somewhere and expands, especially if a bus is attacked.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin
Sharksfan, If you think you are not entitled to privacy if you fly on a plane you are wrong. No one will see my wife or kids naked for the sake of security, it won't happen.
People have privacy up to a point, and naked body scanners cross the line.
If all Americans except this, we won't be able to take a bus like you suggest without getting scanned also. It starts somewhere and expands, especially if a bus is attacked.
"He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither." - Ben Franklin
I would rather have my ass looked at by some perverts than have it blown up by some jihad fucks..
No - they do not. And it's not a "naked" body scanner. It shows an outline. It is substantially less intrusive than a body pat-down.
Also, if you have the "right" to privacy explain to me why you can be strip searched before you get on a plane. This is no different.
You are NOT entitled to privacy if you want to fly on a commercial plane. The legal precedents were set a long time ago. You may FEEL you are entitled to it...but ...You. Are. Not.
If you want privacy flying on a plane then you can go buy your own plane and fly yourself. That is how it works. If you want to ride one someone else's plane - you have to abide by their rules.
Period.
I am actually begining to think the american people deserve what is coming to them in the next 20-30 years.... It seems like nobody cares that all their liberties are being shattered, and whenever I point out to people that the government was behind the 9/11 attacks, all they do is say im an idiot.
Whatever fuck people who can't think for themselves. I just wish I was at the top of politics so I could profit heavily off what is coming.
Hopefully I will make enough money so I am not a peasant in the NWO
Whatever fuck people who can't think for themselves. I just wish I was at the top of politics so I could profit heavily off what is coming.
Hopefully I will make enough money so I am not a peasant in the NWO
If you think we are bad, goto England and be on CCTV all day long, no matter where you walk. Do you see them screaming the world is going to end?
I think the scanners are a good idea. I don't want my plane, my friends, or my family to die because one of these fuckers want to blow up a plane. One dude in a boxed off area looking at images that hardly show anything? Fuck it. I will feel safe, and maybe before I leave, I'll give the person a little jingle. hah.
I'm not to fond of these scanners, and I do feel like this is overstepping a privacy boundary when operated by humans (the scanners will most likely be computer operated soon)...
... but Sharkfan's got a good point: it's not my plane, and if I want to go into someone's house I have to respect their rules and take my shoes off at the door.
... but Sharkfan's got a good point: it's not my plane, and if I want to go into someone's house I have to respect their rules and take my shoes off at the door.
This is going to sound loony, but I'm going to put a free market slant on this...
Imagine if the airline industry was forced to handle security based on customer preferences. That is, they're forced to allow the market to choose the mode and level of security they're willing to adopt based on the price system.
Some airlines would have a strict "fly nekkid" rule. "If you wanna fly with us, take off your clothes."
Some airlines would let you fly completely clothed, but would require every passenger to submit to a body cavity check. (I don't think the current generation of BSIs can scan a human's internal structure. If I were running a terrorist cell, I'd know that and I'd be putting equipment up the bums of my recruits.)
Some airlines would let you fly clothed and wouldn't require any security check at all. As in, "fly with us and take your chances."
Some airlines would guarantee 5 armed marshalls on every flight. Other airlines would allow passengers to carry firearms, knives, mace, etc.
And on and on... lots of choices for the customer. The customer gets to choose the mode and level of security based on the price system.
For example, if someone has very limited funds and is unwilling to travel by other means (e.g. car, train, bus, hitchhike, etc.), they can choose the "fly with us and take your chances" airline. The price will likely be low due to lackluster security (though this is pure speculation on my part, of course). Others would choose alternative options, including eschewing planes entirely.
Just thinking aloud here. What we know is this...
The TSA, DHS, and DoD are worse than impotent. They exacerbate the security issue. And they have given us no reason to believe they will improve their performance - even with massive injections of public funds.
The danger is that the populace will continue to place their trust in the state. That opens the door to some nasty outcomes. It will increase graft. It will continue to deteriorate liberty (when BSIs begin looking within your colon, will folks still say "whatever it takes to secure our safety"?).
Again, just thinking aloud. If you take the state's moves to their logical extreme "all in the name of public safety during these dangerous times," the future of liberty looks bleak.
Remember, we weren't saddled with 60,000 pages of tax legislation in one night. It took a few years. Do you believe this will turn out differently?
Addendum: the flaw in the plan described above is that planes on which security is lax could still be flown into structures, causing damage and carnage. That's obviously a problem. The only way I know to fix that is for us to stop messing with other nations. I'm no foreign policy expert, but bin Laden has been very clear that he's messing with us because we've messed with others.
I'm not suggesting isolationism. Instead, I'm suggesting a return to the views held by Jefferson...
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty."
Imagine if the airline industry was forced to handle security based on customer preferences. That is, they're forced to allow the market to choose the mode and level of security they're willing to adopt based on the price system.
Some airlines would have a strict "fly nekkid" rule. "If you wanna fly with us, take off your clothes."
Some airlines would let you fly completely clothed, but would require every passenger to submit to a body cavity check. (I don't think the current generation of BSIs can scan a human's internal structure. If I were running a terrorist cell, I'd know that and I'd be putting equipment up the bums of my recruits.)
Some airlines would let you fly clothed and wouldn't require any security check at all. As in, "fly with us and take your chances."
Some airlines would guarantee 5 armed marshalls on every flight. Other airlines would allow passengers to carry firearms, knives, mace, etc.
And on and on... lots of choices for the customer. The customer gets to choose the mode and level of security based on the price system.
For example, if someone has very limited funds and is unwilling to travel by other means (e.g. car, train, bus, hitchhike, etc.), they can choose the "fly with us and take your chances" airline. The price will likely be low due to lackluster security (though this is pure speculation on my part, of course). Others would choose alternative options, including eschewing planes entirely.
Just thinking aloud here. What we know is this...
The TSA, DHS, and DoD are worse than impotent. They exacerbate the security issue. And they have given us no reason to believe they will improve their performance - even with massive injections of public funds.
The danger is that the populace will continue to place their trust in the state. That opens the door to some nasty outcomes. It will increase graft. It will continue to deteriorate liberty (when BSIs begin looking within your colon, will folks still say "whatever it takes to secure our safety"?).
Again, just thinking aloud. If you take the state's moves to their logical extreme "all in the name of public safety during these dangerous times," the future of liberty looks bleak.
Remember, we weren't saddled with 60,000 pages of tax legislation in one night. It took a few years. Do you believe this will turn out differently?
Addendum: the flaw in the plan described above is that planes on which security is lax could still be flown into structures, causing damage and carnage. That's obviously a problem. The only way I know to fix that is for us to stop messing with other nations. I'm no foreign policy expert, but bin Laden has been very clear that he's messing with us because we've messed with others.
I'm not suggesting isolationism. Instead, I'm suggesting a return to the views held by Jefferson...
"I am for free commerce with all nations, political connection with none, and little or no diplomatic establishment. And I am not for linking ourselves by new treaties with the quarrels of Europe, entering that field of slaughter to preserve their balance, or joining in the confederacy of Kings to war against the principles of liberty."
You can't be "forcibly" stripped search before you board a plane, you have to consent to it. Just say no, they turn you away, and we are done.
I most certainly am entitled to privacy of my person when operating anywhere outside of my home and not breaking the law. Nobody "owns" me and can do whatever they want to me even when I'm using their services, that I have paid for.
More people are killed every year on the road via traffic accidents, malicious or not, than were killed in 9/11 and the wars follows (Americans of course, because that is all we care about).
Our founding fathers would have told the current government to shove it about 90 years ago.
This actually makes the most sense of anything.
Let the free market decide what the right way to do things is, people will vote with their dollar, and a good balance of safe and private will figure itself out.
The TSA are clowns. But maybe that's the point, so they can be replaced in 5 or 10 years with soldiers.
Let's face it, life is a dangerous place and things are going to happen. We shouldn't encourage them to happen, but shouldn't lose our backbone when they do either. Nation of pussies that want someone else to take care of their problems so they can go about their mind numbing lives.
Here's another point.
Years ago, I had a business selling computer equipment. I had made a large sale and needed to cash the check I had been given quickly to pay my supplier.
I went to the check writers bank, and their specific branch, and presented the check to be cashed.
They gave me the usual, we can't cash this here to which I replied, "This is the drawers branch, says so right on the check, so why don't you go back to the signature card drawer, verify his signature, and give me my money?" They didn't like that.
Then they said, "ID please" . . so I gave them 2 picture ID's and a coupla credit cards.
They verified the check signagture, made copies of my ID's and then asked me to thumbprint the check. I told them to fuck off, you have everything you need to complete the transaction. They resisted, and I suggested they call their account holder to verify. They said no, so I offered to do so and explain that the bank he draws his money on won't honor his checks.
So after all that, I got my money, but the point is, know the system, stick it to them, and don't take no for an answer. I think the same thing is going to happen to the TSA and body scanners.
Personally, I will not go through them and if they try, I will refuse and be refused my flight, at which point I will go camp out at the airline desk until they give me my money back, refundable flight or not.
Years ago, I had a business selling computer equipment. I had made a large sale and needed to cash the check I had been given quickly to pay my supplier.
I went to the check writers bank, and their specific branch, and presented the check to be cashed.
They gave me the usual, we can't cash this here to which I replied, "This is the drawers branch, says so right on the check, so why don't you go back to the signature card drawer, verify his signature, and give me my money?" They didn't like that.
Then they said, "ID please" . . so I gave them 2 picture ID's and a coupla credit cards.
They verified the check signagture, made copies of my ID's and then asked me to thumbprint the check. I told them to fuck off, you have everything you need to complete the transaction. They resisted, and I suggested they call their account holder to verify. They said no, so I offered to do so and explain that the bank he draws his money on won't honor his checks.
So after all that, I got my money, but the point is, know the system, stick it to them, and don't take no for an answer. I think the same thing is going to happen to the TSA and body scanners.
Personally, I will not go through them and if they try, I will refuse and be refused my flight, at which point I will go camp out at the airline desk until they give me my money back, refundable flight or not.