What do you do with those bursts of ideas you get?

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I invited a bunch of people i met while traveling to my farm stay cottage last night, and we had sort of a "The man from Earth" situation with beer, smokes and most importantly, interesting conversations. We're all "digital nomads", but from different fields, hacker, designer, marketer and an online instructor.

All of us have wanted to branch out of the services sector and start building something that we could call our own and make money out of it. Ideas were plenty, but none of them could hold the idea till the phase of getting it validated. They don't know what to do with it, because they're always immersed in client work and travel. I've heard a few of their ideas and they sounded pretty interesting and something i felt could've brought in good revenue.

Which brings me to the question, how many of you have reached that sweet spot? I've seen CCarter and a few others hit it off really well. Good job guys! If you do get those bursts of ideas, what do you do with it? Where do you save them? How do you get them validated? How long would you take to build a prototype after validation? Or do you just build a prototype as soon as you've had your idea? If you do, how do you build upon them? How do you manage them?

This is a very interesting domain to have a conversation on, because this is something all of us need and experience. Those shots of awe moment when you've hit that Eureka moment. Its exciting, exhilarating and beautiful in its own way.

What are your thoughts/tips/process?
 


Also, would love to hear what kind of applications (apart from Evernote) people use for this purpose.
 
Google Drive, create new doc, title it "Ideas List". They make their way in, and usually don't make their way back out. Way too much other stuff going on day to day but when I need some creativity it's on my bookmarks toolbar waiting.
 
This guy sounds like the troll of the group, amirite?

That guy. Hah, that guy is something alright. Brilliant salesman though. He's made all of his travel money trolling sad fucks to pay them money to show them the "path to happiness". Most of it includes Skype sessions, but every once a while, he flies to their city, takes them to a nearby bar, get them drunk and plays hitch. Client is happy, he is rich. Pretty kickass setting if you ask me.
 
Burst of ideas are a dime a dozen. Anyone that's ever taken a shower has had at least one great idea, and a dozen good ones. What stops a lot of people are the their own fears and their unwillingness to bet on their own skills and talents. Even if you don't know anything if you attack a problem like a mad man you can eventually come out on top - or at very least learn some valuable lessons that can help you with the next project.

First question I ask myself when I've got a new idea is - Is there anyone else doing this? If so I can pretty much figure out if they are doing it right or are completely off basis and the market is ripe for more aggressive competition.

2nd question, Lets say no one is doing this - Then why? Why hasn't someone thought about it or done it before. That's where you'll discover most of the pitfalls in the idea while doing this research. Most of the time I find some weak competitors or some random developer in some 3rd world country has already built something exactly to my idea but they lack marketing skills or capital to get things going. So again the market is ripe for competition. If I find some serious obstacles that are going to require me to rely on a 3rd party's data or something it's probably not a great scenario since that 3rd party can shut down access or go out of business, so that's something else to consider.

But lets say the stars are starting to align and now I need validation, this is where I differ from most. I plunge 100% into a project/service until is more then a MVP - Minimum Viable Product, cause when I come to market I want to be nearly the best or in the best state that people are like wow. I know tons of people will disagree, but I realistically have done about 1-3 months of research by then in an industry to figure out if there really is a market or at least a need. Am I showcasing something to an audience that can give them an advantage over their competitors or something that's so unique copycats are bound to attempt to mimic if - if so, they we're onto something.

That's where beta testers come in. Get 3-4 of the top guys in whatever industry you are going into and have them beta test the service and get their feedback on what they like and don't like - this is real beta testing. The people in the industry that are pretty much the 'masters' of an industry will give you the best feedback on whether it's a viable service or not. BUT you also will need to consider the newbies in the industry, can they easily understand what's going on, what's not going on? Is the interface simple enough for an average user to get started by just looking at the interface?

Validation comes when you see your beta testers logging in more and more into the service playing around with it. But just because you have a great service doesn't mean people are willing to pay for it. If your targeting people who are broke or simply generally want what you provide for free, it'll be an uphill battle. So knowing who the end target audience is and what they expect is crucial for anything you do. What are they willing to pay for now, what are they not willing to pay for. Is what you provide a necessity or simply a luxury. If they use your service then stop using your service, will there be a new pain in their life? Did your service really solve a problem they had or just an annoyance. Is your audience going to be simply around cause of the shiny new object syndrome or are they in it for the serious long haul if you provide a solution to their problem(s)?

But with all that said don't discount the MVP route - creating something simple and easy enough with a low barrier for your customers to entry that will have people jumping onboard and then start adding features when customers start banging on your door that they will either cancel or not sign up until XYZ is done. I'm just a weird beast, I've created products and services that I went 100% in and completely failed, not complete flops but failed in the end or ended up just not being worth the time put in, when that happens it's just on to the next one...

This guy has a great story about his StoreMapper: Storemapper: Bootstrapped to $50,000/year in 2 years (with live metrics)

Gail Goodman, Founder of Constant Contact also has a great video about her journey as well: https://vimeo.com/54076835

I'm also a huge believer in only working on a single project 100% of the time until you get it to a point it can grow itself, but even then you don't want to ever "step away", but rather have someone manage the day to day while you concentrate on the bigger picture items.

Problem is even now I've got 3-4 really great ideas that can take several other industry to the next level cause there is an overall lack of serious people in them, but I can't work on them until my first project is at a point where I know it's perfect. So I wait, usually during that waiting period I do more research and those 3-4 ideas get withered down to 1-2 ideas after some research, but if I know that "THIS" project here is poised to be HUGE I drop everything I'm doing and just concentrate on that. It's a horrible experience for people that want to communicate with me or work with me on other projects, cause it is as if I disappeared for 1-2 weeks until I get something solid enough or on paper that the itch has been scratch at bare minimum. I've probably ruined a ton of relationship - business and personal just from lack of excitement on the current projects being worked on, which I've been working on not doing by simply committing to one project as of the las 2-3 years. But when I get that itch, I won't sleep, eat, answer the phone or skype messages, it's a complete disaster, I forget to pay bills and other essential things cause that itch is just too great and it has to be scratched. I need to know whether this idea will work out or not - and if I'm working on a project that doesn't bring me that level of excitement or that itch, that project isn't going to get my 100% full attention, that's the said reality.

Final note - you can be 100% sure that what you are working on is going to be a huge winner, but when you come to market, people don't understand it (they think it's too complicating or overwhelming), or simply think they don't need it. That shit happens a lot. Either gear up your guides and tutorials about the benefits to end user or know you can pivot if things don't go as planned. You'll have an uphill battle but hell you might just come out on top...

Bring on the hate...

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if you want to get out of the services sector, quit being a shitter and take one of the 200 thousand billion courses on productization of service based businesses.
 
Many of us run into the same issues. This is a pretty decent way of dissecting each one to see if it's viable.

Burst of ideas are a dime a dozen. Anyone that's ever taken a shower has had at least one great idea, and a dozen good ones. What stops a lot of people are the their own fears and their unwillingness to bet on their own skills and talents. Even if you don't know anything if you attack a problem like a mad man you can eventually come out on top - or at very least learn some valuable lessons that can help you with the next project.

First question I ask myself when I've got a new idea is - Is there anyone else doing this? If so I can pretty much figure out if they are doing it right or are completely off basis and the market is ripe for more aggressive competition.

2nd question, Lets say no one is doing this - Then why? Why hasn't someone thought about it or done it before. That's where you'll discover most of the pitfalls in the idea while doing this research. Most of the time I find some weak competitors or some random developer in some 3rd world country has already built something exactly to my idea but they lack marketing skills or capital to get things going. So again the market is ripe for competition. If I find some serious obstacles that are going to require me to rely on a 3rd party's data or something it's probably not a great scenario since that 3rd party can shut down access or go out of business, so that's something else to consider.

But lets say the stars are starting to align and now I need validation, this is where I differ from most. I plunge 100% into a project/service until is more then a MVP - Minimum Viable Product, cause when I come to market I want to be nearly the best or in the best state that people are like wow. I know tons of people will disagree, but I realistically have done about 1-3 months of research by then in an industry to figure out if there really is a market or at least a need. Am I showcasing something to an audience that can give them an advantage over their competitors or something that's so unique copycats are bound to attempt to mimic if - if so, they we're onto something.

That's where beta testers come in. Get 3-4 of the top guys in whatever industry you are going into and have them beta test the service and get their feedback on what they like and don't like - this is real beta testing. The people in the industry that are pretty much the 'masters' of an industry will give you the best feedback on whether it's a viable service or not. BUT you also will need to consider the newbies in the industry, can they easily understand what's going on, what's not going on? Is the interface simple enough for an average user to get started by just looking at the interface?

Validation comes when you see your beta testers logging in more and more into the service playing around with it. But just because you have a great service doesn't mean people are willing to pay for it. If your targeting people who are broke or simply generally want what you provide for free, it'll be an uphill battle. So knowing who the end target audience is and what they expect is crucial for anything you do. What are they willing to pay for now, what are they not willing to pay for. Is what you provide a necessity or simply a luxury. If they use your service then stop using your service, will there be a new pain in their life? Did your service really solve a problem they had or just an annoyance. Is your audience going to be simply around cause of the shiny new object syndrome or are they in it for the serious long haul if you provide a solution to their problem(s)?

But with all that said don't discount the MVP route - creating something simple and easy enough with a low barrier for your customers to entry that will have people jumping onboard and then start adding features when customers start banging on your door that they will either cancel or not sign up until XYZ is done. I'm just a weird beast, I've created products and services that I went 100% in and completely failed, not complete flops but failed in the end or ended up just not being worth the time put in, when that happens it's just on to the next one...

This guy has a great story about his StoreMapper: Storemapper: Bootstrapped to $50,000/year in 2 years (with live metrics)

Gail Goodman, Founder of Constant Contact also has a great video about her journey as well: https://vimeo.com/54076835

I'm also a huge believer in only working on a single project 100% of the time until you get it to a point it can grow itself, but even then you don't want to ever "step away", but rather have someone manage the day to day while you concentrate on the bigger picture items.

Problem is even now I've got 3-4 really great ideas that can take several other industry to the next level cause there is an overall lack of serious people in them, but I can't work on them until my first project is at a point where I know it's perfect. So I wait, usually during that waiting period I do more research and those 3-4 ideas get withered down to 1-2 ideas after some research, but if I know that "THIS" project here is poised to be HUGE I drop everything I'm doing and just concentrate on that. It's a horrible experience for people that want to communicate with me or work with me on other projects, cause it is as if I disappeared for 1-2 weeks until I get something solid enough or on paper that the itch has been scratch at bare minimum. I've probably ruined a ton of relationship - business and personal just from lack of excitement on the current projects being worked on, which I've been working on not doing by simply committing to one project as of the las 2-3 years. But when I get that itch, I won't sleep, eat, answer the phone or skype messages, it's a complete disaster, I forget to pay bills and other essential things cause that itch is just too great and it has to be scratched. I need to know whether this idea will work out or not - and if I'm working on a project that doesn't bring me that level of excitement or that itch, that project isn't going to get my 100% full attention, that's the said reality.

Final note - you can be 100% sure that what you are working on is going to be a huge winner, but when you come to market, people don't understand it (they think it's too complicating or overwhelming), or simply think they don't need it. That shit happens a lot. Either gear up your guides and tutorials about the benefits to end user or know you can pivot if things don't go as planned. You'll have an uphill battle but hell you might just come out on top...

Bring on the hate...

FMobkXa.gif
 
Wow CCarter put some thought in!

What I do. I get people to pay for something that doesn't exist. Sounds crazy but I want the money. This isn't some shady scam either.

Also this really depends on the product.

SAAS- Sit down with customers who would be the end users. Find out what their biggest problem is and figure out how to solve the issue. Have them help you design it, and build it. Then ask them for an investment. They'll never have to pay again if they pay for the first year upfront. Find 20 others like this person. Boom you raise money without all the hullaballoo!

New Physical Product- You make 3d rendering of the product. Do paid facebook ads to a landing page, either asking for payment. Then return funds saying you're out of stock if people actually pay. If you are too scared to do this, then collect emails. But nothing speaks louder than cha-ching $$$

You could also get the product manufactured on alibaba. If it's not too different from an existing product. Then get a few hundred made. Send it to Amazon for FBA(Fulfillment by Amazon). The send a few pieces out to people who are in top 1000 reviewers. Get rankings in amazon and start to sell the product there. Once it is validated in amazon, you can launch and off site (not on amazon product page.

Online Course- Run targeted facebook ads, to a landing page for a free webinar. Get emails. Run a webinar about what the course is about. You can then have a landing page after the webinar that sells the course. If people buy. Then you create the course.

In my experience some people will say they will buy. Because they are nice and don't want to tell you the truth. Nothing speaks louder than someone pulling out their credit card and actually buying.

When there's a will there's a way!
 
Wow CCarter put some thought in!

What I do. I get people to pay for something that doesn't exist. Sounds crazy but I want the money. This isn't some shady scam either.

Also this really depends on the product.

SAAS- Sit down with customers who would be the end users. Find out what their biggest problem is and figure out how to solve the issue. Have them help you design it, and build it. Then ask them for an investment. They'll never have to pay again if they pay for the first year upfront. Find 20 others like this person. Boom you raise money without all the hullaballoo!

New Physical Product- You make 3d rendering of the product. Do paid facebook ads to a landing page, either asking for payment. Then return funds saying you're out of stock if people actually pay. If you are too scared to do this, then collect emails. But nothing speaks louder than cha-ching $$$

You could also get the product manufactured on alibaba. If it's not too different from an existing product. Then get a few hundred made. Send it to Amazon for FBA(Fulfillment by Amazon). The send a few pieces out to people who are in top 1000 reviewers. Get rankings in amazon and start to sell the product there. Once it is validated in amazon, you can launch and off site (not on amazon product page.

Online Course- Run targeted facebook ads, to a landing page for a free webinar. Get emails. Run a webinar about what the course is about. You can then have a landing page after the webinar that sells the course. If people buy. Then you create the course.

In my experience some people will say they will buy. Because they are nice and don't want to tell you the truth. Nothing speaks louder than someone pulling out their credit card and actually buying.

When there's a will there's a way!

When I saw a post count of one, I was expecting an account creation date of like 2011.
 
I have a notebook and a fairly lengthy supermemo tasklist. The vast majority are throwaway ideas, but I still like writing them down just in case. Costs me 3-5 minutes out of my day at most.

Tasklist manager available from Tools : Tasklist (e.g. by pressing F4) can be used to edit, prioritize and sort tasklists and all sorts of to-do lists. For example, your prioritized shopping list can be kept in SuperMemo as a tasklist. To be sure that you go on with your major investments starting with those of highest benefit, you might list your planned purchases using price of the purchase in the Time field and, for example, daily time savings in minutes in Value. You could also use other measures of value. For example: degree of satisfaction from the purchase, the maximum price you would be ready to pay, or annual return on investment, etc. This approach would make sure that you never waste your time or money on petty impulse purchases. With tasklists, you can always be sure that you proceed methodically starting from the most valuable investments. Last but not least, tasklists are invaluable for those studying at school or university, where most learning material is not presented in electronic form (e.g. in paper textbooks). In such cases, subject topics (e.g. "Pythagoras' theorem", "Kennedy assasination", etc.) must be prioritised before importing to SuperMemo (in contrast to the incremental reading process, which allows prioritisation after importing). For example, if you have 20 minutes to study, you can spend 3 minutes importing tasks, and 17 minutes importing the learning material, as prioritised by your tasklist. During the importing stage you may either choose to manually type in the most important material, or else simply see if you can find an electronic version of it.
SuperMemo: Tasklist manager

Yes. You never know how your priorities change, how feasibilities change, etc. You never know if and when the task becomes feasible or inspirational. The only cost of a task on a tasklist is that you may occasionally see it when randomly reviewing valuations. Otherwise, the idea of tasklists is to put all your ideas and inventions there and just estimate the value and time as accurately as possible. The main value of tasklists is that you do not have to come back with your mind to lower priority tasks unless you choose so. At the same time, you never lose a record of your creative effort. The length of the tasklist does not matter. It may be a hundred times longer than your execution capacity. The longer it is, the better it testifies to your creativity
SuperMemo: Tasklist manager

Supermemo is probably my favorite piece of SRS software I've ever used and tied for Office as my favorite program that I've bought. It's essentially some guys pet project he's been working on since 1990 and just happens to sell it on the side. If you ever want to memorize anything or have trouble keeping track of a bunch of bullshit (maybe not depending on how important they are) articles you want to read, this is the program you want to buy. It's incredibly easy to read thousands of articles in parallel.
 
you just gotta fucking go man...

making a thread won't help you progress right now
downloading some stupid notes app won't help you progress right now

just get started and go, worry about apps and shit once you can actually use them