What in the hell is wrong with idiot lawmakers?

IMHopeful

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I just can't wrap my head around why innocent people have to suffer when they're forced to defend themselves. Even if you maliciously kill someone trying to cause you harm -- you didn't ask for it right? Stop stealing what isn't yours, and assaulting/raping innocent people.

Everybody deserves to be fucking protected these days, regardless of their worth in society... it's just sickening... I can only imagine the court costs involved with such pointless prosecution.



"This past Sunday, Corey Blaskie was found stabbed to death in someone else's home. According to reports, Blaskie was attempting to break into the strangers' home; when police arrived, the father and son who lived there were fine, but Blaskie was dead.

Details about the incident are still shaky — we have no confirmation as to how the confrontation started, who was armed, and what course of action was taken by the homeowners before the burglar was stabbed — and the consequences are still unknown. An investigation is ongoing, and there are chances that the homeowner may face charges.

The moral grounds around the incident are nebulous. Blaskie should never have been trying to break into the home, but does that transgression mean that any harm that comes to him isn't malicious? The homeowner may have felt threatened, but does that exempt him from rules around killing another man? Is harming someone else, even killing them, considered self-defence when it is property being harmed and not the individual themselves?

The Ontario Court of Appeal recently made a ruling in a previous case that said if someone is being attacked in their own home, retreat isn't the only course of action. A person breaking into someone else's home accepts the risk of consequence from the initial illegal activity.

Because the details have still yet to be released, we're not sure if Blaskie threatened the safety of the homeowners or if there was any kind of violent confrontation that led to the apparent stabbing, so the above court ruling may not apply.

Whatever the decision ends up being, one thing is clear: when faced with potentially armed robbery, fighting back isn't always the best advice. While the homeowners in this case may have avoided physical harm — they have not, however, escaped the potential consequences of their retaliatory actions — it doesn't always work out for the best. I hope that this story doesn't encourage people to fight back; it is better to lose and recover property than to put lives in danger.

What do you think? Should a homeowner be allowed to physically harm, or even kill, someone that is trying to burgle their home? Or should the homeowner face charges for the violence?"
 


This is one hell of a case. Self-defense isn't a defense at all. It is sometimes a criminal offense. This makes our law sometimes unfair. It is clear that Blaskie is trespassing one's property. Why is he in the area on the first place? What could be his motive? If the homeowners had killed Blaskie for self-defense then I believe they should not face charges.
 
it doesn't say if the burgular was armed or not

Honestly should it really matter? How in the hell is a homeowner going to determine if a burglar is armed and what types of weapons he has? Is the guy breaking into my house just planning on making a quick grab for stuff or is he planning on violence? There is absolutely now way of knowing until it is to late. By breaking into my house in the middle of the night the person has already proven that they do not care about the rules of society and that makes him dangerous to me and my family.

The ONLY thing that makes sense in that situation is to put that person down as quickly as possible before he has a chance to hurt/kill me or the people I care about.
 
Reminds me of the movie called Felon

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What do you think? Should a homeowner be allowed to physically harm, or even kill, someone that is trying to burgle their home? Or should the homeowner face charges for the violence?"

Anyone who is in my home without my permission will be treated as a deadly threat. I do not have time to analyze every angle in an attempt to figure out if you're harmless or not. I have a family to think about and will take any and all measures to keep them safe. You enter my home with criminal intent you will be met with jacketed hollow points.






And WickedSick, was it really necessary to post that obnoxiously large image?
 
As time goes on, MANY states in the US are getting much better about such laws.

However I Don't see it going that way outside of the US. Some states in the US still have european-style self defense laws that almost make it impossible to defend yourself or family without prosecution.

Thankfully my state has something called castle doctrine that says that if someone is trying to break into your home, you have a right to defend it.

One of the biggest complaints about the law from liberals and other types is "What happens when someone innocent is killed". It's a valid concern, but when you look at the data from states that pass such laws, one thing becomes EXTREMELY clear - the people that are being shot or hurt in cases of home break-ins are criminals the vast majority of time.

In states that have no such laws, there are significantly more reports of families that are murdered due to home invasion. Especially in states where 'duty to retreat' is the law. In these cases , you are REQUIRED by law to prove you did everything possible to escape from harm. This includes jumping out of 2nd or 3rd story windows to escape a murderer/home invader before you are given a 'green light' on self defense. Yes, there are cases where someone innocent is harmed, and as awful as that is, it happens at a rate (from my research) of 1:80 to 1:100 or more compared to valid self defense cases.
 
Honestly should it really matter? How in the hell is a homeowner going to determine if a burglar is armed and what types of weapons he has? Is the guy breaking into my house just planning on making a quick grab for stuff or is he planning on violence? There is absolutely now way of knowing until it is to late. By breaking into my house in the middle of the night the person has already proven that they do not care about the rules of society and that makes him dangerous to me and my family.

The ONLY thing that makes sense in that situation is to put that person down as quickly as possible before he has a chance to hurt/kill me or the people I care about.

The question is, if a burglar breaks into your home, do you have the right to torture and/or kill him in the most malicious way possible.

One might say yes, because in the heat of the moment you don't know if he's armed, it might be dark, your adrenaline might be pumping, etc.

But consider the thought that the burglar might have been well and truly restrained before the owners decide to torture and or kill him anyway.

Is that justified?
 
Is that justified?

Stay out of my space, you won't have any trouble.

Fuck with me, and anything can happen. You may not be there to talk to the judge.

Justified or not, understand the rules before you play the game.
 
The question is, if a burglar breaks into your home, do you have the right to torture and/or kill him in the most malicious way possible.

One might say yes, because in the heat of the moment you don't know if he's armed, it might be dark, your adrenaline might be pumping, etc.

But consider the thought that the burglar might have been well and truly restrained before the owners decide to torture and or kill him anyway.

Is that justified?
Of course not, but I think the homeowner gets the benefit of the doubt. After all, it is the intruder who instigated the event by breaking the law and entering the home uninvited in the first place.

Even, the Romans had this down long ago:
Cicero said:
quid enim sanctius, quid omni religione munitius, quam domus unusquisque civium?
Translation: What more sacred, what more strongly guarded by every holy feeling, than a man's own home?
 
Stay out of my space, you won't have any trouble.

Fuck with me, and anything can happen. You may not be there to talk to the judge.

Justified or not, understand the rules before you play the game.

I think you are fucking with me right now. Therefore I am within my rights to do anything I want to you, and you may not be there to talk to the judge.

Fair to you, bro? People arbitrarily assuming that they are being fucked with?


Are you using the word "torture" to muddy the issue, or did it claim the guy was tortured somewhere?

You should have the right to use deadly force to protect yourself and your family, but there would be no reason to torture.

Not aware if he was tortured.

But I believe any attempt to punish the criminal after he has been restrained amounts to torture, or at least abuse.

This is my problem with "I can do whatever I want to you if you break into my home" kind of thinking.

I mean, people need to protect themselves, their family and their property, but there's also gotta be some accommodation for not going too far.
 
Dude had his son there with him. Would any of you with children think twice about defending and keeping your child safe by any means possible when a stranger intrudes on your home? I don't blame the guy at all, regardless of if the burglar was armed or not.
 
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I mean, people need to protect themselves, their family and their property, but there's also gotta be some accommodation for not going too far.
How does your link illustrate going "too far". He was protecting his uncle from an attack by an attacker (who just happened to be his father) with a deadly weapon. This is legal. There was no torture or abuse by the boy towards the attacker.

You're stretching in your response to Jake as well. He prefaced with "Stay out of my space," and we are discussing an incident with an intruder in a home ITT. There is nothing arbitrary about being in fear when someone breaks into your home while you are there...trust me, I've been through it.
 
The problem here is the homeowner probably didn't have a gun. He should have shot the burglar instead.

If someone breaks into your house, you have no idea what they will do. Do they just want your TV or do they want to rape or kill you? One thing for sure is that they aren't there for tea and crumpets.

Another thing. They could punch you in the head and you could go unconscious. Maybe die. What would they do to you if you were unconscious? Set the house on fire? Poison you? You get the idea.

Shoot first. Ask questions later.
 
I think trespassing in a man's castle warrants death. It might seem unfair, but we all know we aren't welcome to walk into someone's place without permission.

It would be a shame if a boyfriend, relative, or mentally handicapped person is killed by mistake... but the alternative is quite possibly rape, torture, death, etc...

My old man wouldn't let me come into the house after dark when I was a teenager: He knew I might surprise him sometime and get shot, so that was the way it was. I hated it at the time, but now as a man that has protective instincts I respect that about the old cunt.

Even when someone is forced to physically defend themselves on the street you're taking a chance: You just don't know in this day and age if you won't be sitting in a jail cell a year from now.

I think if someone comes looking for trouble then they should assume the risks of doing so (you might not realize the person you're fucking with is a trained killer, but that isn't their fault if they feel cornered, and have to mortally wound you to survive.)
 
Generally speaking:

1. US has "castle" doctrine regarding one's home. That is to say, deadly force is allowed in a great many cases.
2. UK (Britain) does NOT.
3. Canada is sitting on the fence, but now leaning towards "castle" doctrine.

It's actually a big complicated issue. Yes, you have kids in your home, and somebody breaks into your house in the middle of the night and you whack him.

No jury would ever convict you.

But a panhandler is rummaging around your garbage cans looking for bottles at 11:00 pm in the night: Are you allowed to whack him?

Stuff like that. It's not always black and white. Otherwise we wouldn't have the need for case law.

(Note. I live in Vancouver, which apparently has the highest property theft rate in North America. I say "apparently" because even though I live right in the middle of metro Vancouver, neither me or my neighbours hardly ever bitch about street crime or house-breaking. It's just not on the radar. And outside of various gang factions shooting each other, there's not a whole of homicide going on either. Curious.)