Why did Steve Jobs die?

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Maybe this will be a little enlightening to all the idiots who keep spreading the bullshit that veganism somehow harmed Steve Jobs without knowing anything about him and just spreading other bullshit people spew to convince themselves their bad habits aren't harming them.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81xnvgOlHaY]Why Did Steve Jobs Die? - YouTube[/ame]
 
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WildGunner said:
Will watch. Thank you. Heard, and scanned rampant speculations about his health but never engaged, besides what is known "fact" and some things not needing any mention. Thanks again.

Edit: Who is the speaker?
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About Dr. John McDougall of the McDougall Program

I honestly don't know too much about him but I keep hearing about him in the vegan world. It seems he's a promoter of a vegan low fat starch based diet. He seems to be at or near the top as far as backing up his claims with real science and research, that's the impression I get.

His articles seem to have quite a bit of references: http://www.drmcdougall.com/medical_hottopics.html
 
Wow and I thought I was wasting time just reading this section. To debate veganism is just ... wow.
 
Very interesting this presentation from dr McDougall, and it makes sense too... It's scary to think that a metastazed cancer can develop that early.
 
This guy is ANNOYING
A. He repeats himself constantly
B. He is making assumptions based on second hand information from non medical sources.
C. He is not privy to any of the medical records and he is assuming the doctors that treated him made the wrong Dx several times. So without examining the patient, taking a history of the patient, reading all of the tests, blood work, MRI (or even a simple x-ray which would show stones), he thinks he is smarter than the treating doctors. Also when a patient is suspected of having kidney stones they make the Pt piss through a strainer to capture the stone so they can determine the composition.
D. He says Sonometer and not centimeter Jesus Christ I hate that shit. Saying it incorrectly, even if it is common, makes you a moron.
E. Animal protein does not make you susceptible to kidney stones. Not having access to his records he does not even know what kind of stone he had.
National Kidney Foundation: A to Z Health Guide Item
F. I have to stop listening I do not even know what is point is but he is a moron who is GUESSING his way to some conclusion based on second hand word of mouth comments and his half assed medical knowledge. He is talking to lay people so he is getting away with it. If he were in front of other docs they would be throwing tomatoes at him.
 
m0rtal said:
Maybe this will be a little enlightening to all the idiots who keep spreading the bullshit that veganism somehow harmed Steve Jobs without knowing anything about him and just spreading other bullshit people spew to convince themselves their bad habits aren't harming them.

Why Did Steve Jobs Die? - YouTube
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Thanks for posting this, have watched it through. It's reminded me why I don't watch videos about stuff - it took 40 minutes to say:

1. Steve Job's cancer probably started when he was 24
2. It grew slower than normal, probably due to his vegan diet.
3. Haters that claim otherwise don't know what they're talking about.

Nothing too controversial there, although I'd take issue with his blankets statement that fats/oils are cancer promoting (there are a lot of studies on this, and they haven't reached a conclusion).


The bottom line is that however famous Steve Jobs is, the story about why or how he died is just anecdotal evidence, and no more relevant than any other single case study.
 
It was a sad set of circumstances for Steve. Not having the people you trust intimately in your corner and backing you 100% can have terrible effects.

Dr. McDougall using Steve Jobs as a subject despite stated intentions seems somewhat sensationalist and poorly timed. However, to some (Dr. McDougall among those) there is a need to present opposing arguments or viewpoints that do not get "mainstream" attention to those people looking for answers or wanting reassurance.

Thanks for the video. Going to study a bit more about isolated soy proteins because of it. It is not in the diet currently (by choice), but more reading needs to be done.
 
Doc said:
This guy is ANNOYING
A. He repeats himself constantly
B. He is making assumptions based on second hand information from non medical sources.
C. He is not privy to any of the medical records and he is assuming the doctors that treated him made the wrong Dx several times. So without examining the patient, taking a history of the patient, reading all of the tests, blood work, MRI (or even a simple x-ray which would show stones), he thinks he is smarter than the treating doctors. Also when a patient is suspected of having kidney stones they make the Pt piss through a strainer to capture the stone so they can determine the composition.
D. He says Sonometer and not centimeter Jesus Christ I hate that shit. Saying it incorrectly, even if it is common, makes you a moron.
E. Animal protein does not make you susceptible to kidney stones. Not having access to his records he does not even know what kind of stone he had.
National Kidney Foundation: A to Z Health Guide Item
F. I have to stop listening I do not even know what is point is but he is a moron who is GUESSING his way to some conclusion based on second hand word of mouth comments and his half assed medical knowledge. He is talking to lay people so he is getting away with it. If he were in front of other docs they would be throwing tomatoes at him.
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+1 We need more people like this on wickedfire.

Show this guy some love.
 
Doc said:
This guy is ANNOYING
A. He repeats himself constantly
B. He is making assumptions based on second hand information from non medical sources.
C. He is not privy to any of the medical records and he is assuming the doctors that treated him made the wrong Dx several times. So without examining the patient, taking a history of the patient, reading all of the tests, blood work, MRI (or even a simple x-ray which would show stones), he thinks he is smarter than the treating doctors. Also when a patient is suspected of having kidney stones they make the Pt piss through a strainer to capture the stone so they can determine the composition.
D. He says Sonometer and not centimeter Jesus Christ I hate that shit. Saying it incorrectly, even if it is common, makes you a moron.
E. Animal protein does not make you susceptible to kidney stones. Not having access to his records he does not even know what kind of stone he had.
National Kidney Foundation: A to Z Health Guide Item
F. I have to stop listening I do not even know what is point is but he is a moron who is GUESSING his way to some conclusion based on second hand word of mouth comments and his half assed medical knowledge. He is talking to lay people so he is getting away with it. If he were in front of other docs they would be throwing tomatoes at him.
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Surely brings more to the table than everyone who just claims his vegan diet caused problems because they heard someone else spew the same nonsense.

Umm: Should recurrent calcium oxalate stone formers bec... [Br J Urol. 1979] - PubMed - NCBI

Come at me bro.
 
My Grandfather:
- Never wore sunscreen when working 8-10 hours a day building roads in the blazing hot sun of Latin America.
- Ate red meat every single day of his life, probably for every meal.
- Ate eggs, beans, rice, and sausage every breakfast.
- Smoked like a chimney.
- Drank like a fish.
- Fucked hookers all the time.
- Knocked up a 19 year old when he was 77 years old.
- Died at age 85 peacefully in his sleep.

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