Why have all mass murderers in the US been on SSRIs?

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schockergd

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If 95%+ of all mass murderers in the US have been on a very narrow range of drugs, why has no investigation been done?

Anti-Depressants linked to mass murders

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Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event.

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days.

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
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I get your point, but correlation != causation.

Charles Whitman was up in that tower in Austin before SSRIs even existed.
 
I love how when it's White kids doing the murdering everyone has to do all sorts of "studies" and "research" as to why these kids became the savages that they are yet other people are automatically labeled as savages, criminals, etc..
 
The majority of those listed weren't "mass murderers", so that is a bit misleading. However, given that 1 in 10 Americans are supposedly on SSRIs, it's not surprising that these people, some who may already have psychological issues predisposed to commit violence, are found to be on medications.
 
First, let's dismantle your list:
Eric Harris age 17 (first on Zoloft then Luvox) and Dylan Klebold - dipsutable, as no med records available aged 18 (Columbine school shooting in Littleton, Colorado), killed 12 students and 1 teacher, and wounded 23 others, before killing themselves. Klebold’s medical records have never been made available to the public.

Jeff Weise, age 16, had been prescribed 60 mg/day of Prozac (three times the average starting dose for adults!) when he shot his grandfather, his grandfather’s girlfriend and many fellow students at Red Lake, Minnesota. He then shot himself. 10 dead, 12 wounded.

Cory Baadsgaard, age 16, Wahluke (Washington state) High School, was on Paxil (which caused him to have hallucinations) when he took a rifle to his high school and held 23 classmates hostage. He has no memory of the event. - no mass murderer, then, eh?

Chris Fetters, age 13, killed his favorite aunt while taking Prozac.
- again, one murder <> mass murderer

Christopher Pittman, age 12, murdered both his grandparents while taking Zoloft.

Mathew Miller, age 13, hung himself in his bedroom closet after taking Zoloft for 6 days. - suicide <> mass murderer

Kip Kinkel, age 15, (on Prozac and Ritalin) shot his parents while they slept then went to school and opened fire killing 2 classmates and injuring 22 shortly after beginning Prozac treatment.

Luke Woodham, age 16 (Prozac) killed his mother and then killed two students, wounding six others.

A boy in Pocatello, ID (Zoloft) in 1998 had a Zoloft-induced seizure that caused an armed stand off at his school.
- again, no mass murder here

Michael Carneal (Ritalin), age 14, opened fire on students at a high school prayer meeting in West Paducah, Kentucky. Three teenagers were killed, five others were wounded..

A young man in Huntsville, Alabama (Ritalin) went psychotic chopping up his parents with an ax and also killing one sibling and almost murdering another.
- no name, no date, no medical records?

Andrew Golden, age 11, (Ritalin) and Mitchell Johnson, aged 14, (Ritalin) shot 15 people, killing four students, one teacher, and wounding 10 others.

TJ Solomon, age 15, (Ritalin) high school student in Conyers, Georgia opened fire on and wounded six of his class mates.

Rod Mathews, age 14, (Ritalin) beat a classmate to death with a bat.
- one murder, not mass murder
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Alright, now this is quite reduced.

While this is worrying, do you see what ALL of these have in common?
The killers are all underage, down to the age of 11 and given potent psychoactive drugs.

To add some others

2010 University of Alabama in Huntsville shooting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 2010
  • Age 44
  • seemingly psychological problems, no drugs
  • 3 dead
  • 3 injured

Luby's massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 1991
  • Age 35
  • No record on drugs
  • 24 dead, including shooter

Millard South High School - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 2011
  • Age 17
  • Synthetic Cannabis
  • 3 dead, including shooter

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Most of those drugs are dangerous if you try to stop taking them cold turkey. What the doctors usually do is switch them to another drug, but if the patient decides to stop taking them, or for whatever reason they don't keep refilling the prescription, shit can get ugly.
 
A massive amount of Americans are on SSRIs. Logic states that mass murderers are inherently disturbed people who have access to enough resources to pull off a mass murder (IE not dirt poor) so chances are that they have received proper medical treatment for their disturbed mental state at some point in time.

Also, some SSRIs sometimes just straight up don't work for people. You have to try a few to find the one that actually has a positive impact.

Per the argument presented in the OP though, you could argue that partially hydrogenated corn syrup is to blame. Just because there is a common thread amongst all of these people doesn't mean that that is the cause for their actions.

If they were all the same ethnicity, would you want to start investigating all others of that ethnicity simply because it's a common thread?
 
dchuk said:
A massive amount of Americans are on SSRIs. Logic states that mass murderers are inherently disturbed people who have access to enough resources to pull off a mass murder (IE not dirt poor) so chances are that they have received proper medical treatment for their disturbed mental state at some point in time.

Also, some SSRIs sometimes just straight up don't work for people. You have to try a few to find the one that actually has a positive impact.

Per the argument presented in the OP though, you could argue that partially hydrogenated corn syrup is to blame. Just because there is a common thread amongst all of these people doesn't mean that that is the cause for their actions.

If they were all the same ethnicity, would you want to start investigating all others of that ethnicity simply because it's a common thread?
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Nope the cause was the gun amiright?
 
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It's not that easy.

There is something inherently wrong about giving underage kids brain-altering meds. Their brains aren't fully developed so I can see how this could eventually mess up with their development.

However, pretty much every single adult I know that has been prescribed SSRIs for their condition (and I know a LOT of them) has has had a positive experience and fully recovered. 2 days ago I saw a documentary on Jacques Demers, an ex NHL coach that had some mental issues, got prescribed Zoloft and now he became a Canadian senator. He said on TV that without Zoloft he would have never been able to achieve this. I have tons of examples like these, and I've heard many of them right here on WF.

And by the way, if 1/10 Americans is on SSRIs, I'm pretty sure that it's more like 3/10 here among WFers, based on the amount of depression/anxiety threads I see popping up around here.

I don't think the meds are bad for adults who really have issues. I do think that doctors shouldn't prescribe them to kids unless they have tried everything and it was their last resort.

/My .02
 
avatar33 said:
It's not that easy.

There is something inherently wrong about giving underage kids brain-altering meds. Their brains aren't fully developed so I can see how this could eventually mess up with their development.

However, pretty much every single adult I know that has been prescribed SSRIs for their condition (and I know a LOT of them) has has had a positive experience and fully recovered. 2 days ago I saw a documentary on Jacques Demers, an ex NHL coach that had some mental issues, got prescribed Zoloft and now he became a Canadian senator. He said on TV that without Zoloft he would have never been able to achieve this. I have tons of examples like these, and I've heard many of them right here on WF.

And by the way, if 1/10 Americans is on SSRIs, I'm pretty sure that it's more like 3/10 here among WFers, based on the amount of depression/anxiety threads I see popping up around here.

I don't think the meds are bad for adults who really have issues. I do think that doctors shouldn't prescribe them to kids unless they have tried everything and it was their last resort.

/My .02
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The problem = impatient parents who've been conditioned into believing their child should be controlled like miniature prison inmates. And when that naturally backfires and their child is raging against the machine, they think something is wrong with them, take them to see a doctor, and they're stuffed with these drugs. Public schooling also contributes to this problem. Forcing children to sit still for hours every day isn't good, when they'd rather be outside playing, exploring and learning naturally.

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Damn I just started taking Cymbalta this week for nerve pain, it's a similar molecule to prozac, and I guess it blocks some of the pain receptors in your brain.

Also I don't like anti depressants because many of them don't mix well with alcohol or thc, or mixing several anti depressants at once, who knows what effects that shit has. I take another one (nortriptyline) for nerve pain that exaggerates side effects of cannabis like you wouldn't believe. Also take oxycodone and oxcarbazapine. fuck.
 
dmnEPC said:
Nope the cause was the gun amiright?
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Nah, I'm not even going down that road with what I'm saying. My point is that finding a similar trait/action amongst a bunch of shooters doesn't prove anything in particular. A lot of people have mental health problems, especially in the US. Probably because we have so much idle time.
 
shindig said:
Damn I just started taking Cymbalta this week for nerve pain, it's a similar molecule to prozac, and I guess it blocks some of the pain receptors in your brain.

Also I don't like anti depressants because many of them don't mix well with alcohol or thc, or mixing several anti depressants at once, who knows what effects that shit has. I take another one (nortriptyline) for nerve pain that exaggerates side effects of cannabis like you wouldn't believe. Also take oxycodone and oxcarbazapine. fuck.
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given the meds you're on, you probably shouldn't be playing around with recreational drugs. Or at least tell your doctor about it (they won't get you in trouble)
 
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