WTF? Massive military build-up for Iran.

Rage9 said:
Are you saying nuking the Japs was a bad move? Because the Japanese where far from "innocent 5 year olds." It sort of ended the war with them. It's not like we wiped them off the planet.
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Rage9 said:
I'm saying it was war. There are no innocent in war.
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Also do you think there might be a correlation between getting nuked and Japan being the #3 world economy? Probably should nuke more.
 
Just a tidbit from wikipedia to ponder over:

On 3 Aug 2006, in a speech during an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders, Ahmadinejad called for "the elimination of the Zionist regime".

While some media outlets immediately interpreted his words as another threat to "destroy Israel",[90][91][92] such interpretations have again been challenged.[93] In the speech, Ahmadinejad said, "although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented". He stated that the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime".
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He called Israel an "illegitimate regime" with "no legal basis for its existence" and accused the United States of using Israel as a proxy to control the region and its oil resources; "The Zionist regime is used to reach this objective. The sole existence of this regime is for invasion and attack."
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and below:
“The Zionist regime will be wiped out soon the same way the Soviet Union was, and humanity will achieve freedom”

"Those who think they can revive the stinking corpse of the usurping and fake Israeli regime by throwing a birthday party are seriously mistaken. Today the reason for the Zionist regime's existence is questioned, and this regime is on its way to annihilation."
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The amount of disdain that Iran, in general, has for Israel is, IMO, beyond comprehension for most of us.
How many of us have been raised to completely and utterly HATE another group of people and are just waiting on the chance to act on it?
 
FerrisHilton said:
Not sure if srs?

Israel is surrounded by countries who do not want it to exist and believe it never should have been a country (GJ UK). Having nukes protects itself from basically being decimated at any time by the many hostile nations nearby.

Iran is one of the few who have a government crazy enough to actually attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth if they finally produce a nuclear weapon... But wait, while theirs are flying over to Israel, Israel sends theirs over to Iran, possible nuclear Winter and THE WORLD FUCKING ENDS??

This is why Iran can't have nukes. The current government may be crazy enough to actually use them. Oh also oil prices will skyrocket and slow down all our economies. But yeah, the tiny chance of ending the World and humanity is definitely #2.
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Israel is hated in the region simply because of the unfair treatment that palestinians are being given.

splitting that land evenly is what the UN suggested and what all arab countries agreed to, however the all mighty and powerful jewish-americans opposed it and want the whole damn pie. (see this graph and tell me if you were a palestinian how would you feel?)

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If the fucking US & day would let the UN do its job this conflict would have been solved a long time ago.
 
FerrisHilton said:
Iran is one of the few who have a government crazy enough to actually attempt to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth if they finally produce a nuclear weapon
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What in the actual fuck are you basing that on? When was the last time Iran attacked anybody? I know they keep telling us on TV that Iran is a suicidal country, but I'd love to see some actual evidence of that.

dbm009 said:
Just a tidbit from wikipedia to ponder over:

and below:
The amount of disdain that Iran, in general, has for Israel is, IMO, beyond comprehension for most of us.
How many of us have been raised to completely and utterly HATE another group of people and are just waiting on the chance to act on it?
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Zionism is to Israel as the Neo-Cons are to the US. Wanting to see an end to bloodthirsty Zionism is not equal to "death to the Jews". In fact, plenty of Jews live peacefully in Iran and have for centuries.

For marketers, some of you motherfuckers are quite easily manipulated by the media.
 
Just let Iran develop it and then they can both sling nukes at each other. Two birds, one stone.
 
dbm009 said:
and below:
The amount of disdain that Iran, in general, has for Israel is, IMO, beyond comprehension for most of us.
How many of us have been raised to completely and utterly HATE another group of people and are just waiting on the chance to act on it?
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its intersting how you've given some decent quotes that provide some insight of the situation but because of your ignorance you werent able to grasp exactly what was being said. you havent thought at all here for yourself, you're simply regurgitating what you've heard on main stream media which is expected but sad.

i will help you

1. zionism is a political movement which has political opponents inside the state of israel itself. its received a lot of criticsm from within and outside its borders. israel does not = zionism, these are 2 different things here. one is a political movement and another is a country.

2. if iran hates jews so much, why are there more synagogues than i can count on my fingers and toes in the capital of iran? wouldn't it be logical to think that if iran hated this group of people so much that they would have removed them from the country?
 
mgtarheels said:
You very clearly do not know or do not understand global history.
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hehejo said:
I don't even...

Signing off for today. Not gonna argue with someone who is clearly mentally retarded.
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Rage9 has a point he just has a way of explaining it that makes you want to argue with him.

The attack of Japan was an opportunistic power grab on their part pure and simple - which I think is pretty much expected when you live on a small island devoid of natural resources. I can understand where they were coming from but at the same time it would have been dangerous for us to engage in a world war on 2 different fronts.

The bombings were terrible, a lot of people died that probably didn't have to. I imagine the smart ones left and the not so bright stayed after reading 1 of the millions of leaflets that were dropped days before the bombings that read something like this:

America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by man. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.
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Had it been backwards and the USA was on the small island and Japan was going to drop nukes on us, would they have given any of our civilians warning? I highly doubt it.

Have either of you ever read about the kind of shit Japan has done to the Chinese? I don't really like to compare cultures but in this case its probably worth noting that the Japanese were (are?) some pretty brutal hardcore motherfuckers and its not really in our best interests to start going at it with them.
 
Andrew Scherer said:
I imagine the smart ones left and the not so bright stayed after reading 1 of the millions of leaflets that were dropped days before the bombings that read something like this:



Had it been backwards and the USA was on the small island and Japan was going to drop nukes on us, would they have given any of our civilians warning? I highly doubt it.
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Incorrect.

The myths of Hiroshima - Los Angeles Times

"The Enola Gay exhibit also repeated such outright lies as the assertion that "special leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities" warning civilians to evacuate. The fact is that atomic bomb warning leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities, but only after Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been destroyed."
 
-joe- said:
Incorrect.

The myths of Hiroshima - Los Angeles Times

"The Enola Gay exhibit also repeated such outright lies as the assertion that "special leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities" warning civilians to evacuate. The fact is that atomic bomb warning leaflets were dropped on Japanese cities, but only after Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been destroyed."
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Thanks for the link joe, my mistake. Looks like they were dropped after the fact, for what purpose I have no idea.
 
I'll admit that this thing feels very weird.

I don't know what to think anymore...

I have been one of those people speaking out against Iran, and I support the USA, Israel, Britain, etc... Athough I think there is room for improvement on all sides.

But this whole build up, and all of the international events happening, is just... really scary and seems to all fit together just a little too perfectly.

I don't know what to thikn anymore about the whole thing.

All I know is that this shit is scary. A war with Iran is not like a war with afghanistan or Iraq...

Maybe this is what has to happen, or maybe I'm totally misled, I admit that I don't know. I know I don't know everything, and I don't know what's REALLY going on.

blah blah... scary shit people.
 
I understand the points made above, so I'll clarify that it is the nation state of Israel, as contolled/influenced predominantly by the Zionist regime,
in which Jews are the majority of inhabitants that Iran(under Ahmadinejad) has issues with.
 
EvilPenguin said:
Israel is hated in the region simply because of the unfair treatment that palestinians are being given.

splitting that land evenly is what the UN suggested and what all arab countries agreed to, however the all mighty and powerful jewish-americans opposed it and want the whole damn pie. (see this graph and tell me if you were a palestinian how would you feel?)

If the fucking US & day would let the UN do its job this conflict would have been solved a long time ago.
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From what I remember they fought a war and the Palestinians lost. Similar situation to the American Indians who fought, lost and died, so let's give more land to the Palestinians right? Oh wait, let's go back in time thousands of years to when the Jews were kicked out of Israel, back before the Palestinian nation ever existed. Now technically the Jews were there first and deserve the land. You see the dilemma?

My comment was only about the current situation. Iran with nukes is a bad idea no matter how you look at it. The only entity it's good for is Iran.

Unarmed Gunman said:
What in the actual fuck are you basing that on? When was the last time Iran attacked anybody? I know they keep telling us on TV that Iran is a suicidal country, but I'd love to see some actual evidence of that.
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What the other guy wrote, the Ahmajinedad quotes. And not the whole country and all it's peoples just the government in charge.
 
If you really think that Iranians or other Arabs/Muslims give a shit about the palestinians. I think you are out to lunch.

The palestinians have to be some of the most oppressed and negelected people in the entire world. It is sickening and saddening the situation there.

But in some sense, they have been used as a pawn by Iranians and other interests in the region.

Israel needs to wise up with that whole situation, but so do the palestinians and so do other middle eastern powers.

I honestly think peace between israel and the palestinians would be a blow to many people who it seems are sympathetic to the palestinians such as Iran.
 
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