When they take the internet away..

[lose lose win]

Will that be it? Will that be the the modern day version of the big gov coming for the guns? That has been the point at which people said "fuck this shit" in the past. And I always thought if they came for the guns this time around then maybe shtf scenario, maybe not, who knows...but historically, that's been a turning point. I was just thinking about how a lot of fucking people are going to be super pissed if they take any drastic measures on the internet, myself included. Guns were the widespread symbol of freedom in the past, but in the information age, I think the internet has taken that spot over. I think TONS more people would rather have guns taken than internet. Too bad they want both.

Could that be the breaking point? Initially, I would assume that it would be done in the time tested incremental way, and thus people would just sit around and take it like the pussies we are. But, who knows, they might try some digital false flag bull shit and go in for it.

Thoughts?

 

[seodon]

It will never happen:disgust:
We can even expect increase in internet users.....

 

[AustinP]

The internet will survive. I have complete faith in it.

There may come a day when the people of the world will have to bow down to the gods in office. There may come a day when we marketers would have to find another meat spin website to pass our time on. Hell, there may come a day when we the people of a free democratic world will have to give into jizzing on a trannys face. But there is no way in hell that I, a member of the meat spinning, twat wanting, cock fapping and gay webmastering community will let the internet get banned. I vow to strip naked the egoistic bastards of the banning group to their bare essentials and whip them with a cane feather till their cum dries out at the tip of their penises.

The internet will prevail.

Hallelujah! Praise the web!

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

Trying to centralize an entire worldwide network that's developed on the basis of decentralization will be pretty tough.

 

[Jeeta]

I think the internet is clearly out of control. If you can't see that then you're either a criminal or delusional. The internet was given a chance to self regulate. But because it attracts 16 year olds with super egos, who think it's their God given right to start stealing from people, it clearly can't.

In most countries to start trading on the streets or trading full stop you need a street trading/trading license. Right now any retard, who buys a $17 ebook can try and make monies online. How sustainable is that? Bubble?

Like the banking system, greed will push the internet industry to the brink of collapse.

The IM world is full of people like this.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqV0ss3ms7M"]Millionaire High School Scam Artist - YouTube[/ame]

 

[lose lose win]

Like the banking system, greed will push the internet industry to the brink of collapse.

You, couldn't be more wrong. The banking system is just fine, just in consolidation mode right now. The big banks are making record profit. Dog and pony show.

Corrupt, politically motivated, forced control will push the internet industry to the brink of "collapse", and when I say collapse I mean into the hands of the few, just like the banking system.

 

[Jeeta]

You, couldn't be more wrong. The banking system is just fine, just in consolidation mode right now. The big banks are making record profit. Dog and pony show.

Corrupt, politically motivated, forced control will push the internet industry to the brink of "collapse", and when I say collapse I mean into the hands of the few, just like the banking system.

Making record profits? Have you ever heard of a balance sheet, I suggest you start downloading some of some of your favorite banks. You sound like one of those bankers who say we can some how make profits out of losses.

The internet is currently over extending because of the gold rush attrached to it, but increased costs both in the real world and the digital world means those days are numbered. Demand for display advertising is sky rocketing, it'll only get more competitive and more expensive.

The days of cheap easy internet monies are coming to an end. That I can promise you.

 

[handrewrites]

Making record profits? Have you ever heard of a balance sheet, I suggest you start downloading some of some of your favorite banks. You sound like one of those bankers who say we can some how make profits out of losses.

The internet is currently over extending because of the gold rush attrached to it, but increased costs both in the real world and the digital world means those days are numbered. Demand for display advertising is sky rocketing, it'll only get more competitive and more expensive.

The days of cheap easy internet monies are coming to an end. That I can promise you.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but could you provide some specific examples of what you're talking about?

Quite frankly, I have no idea what exactly you're referring to when you say "the internet". Adsense? MMO products?

 

[Jeeta]

I'm not disagreeing with you, but could you provide some specific examples of what you're talking about?

Quite frankly, I have no idea what exactly you're referring to when you say "the internet". Adsense? MMO products?

I'm mainly talking about those who have been using the internet as a source of making cheap easy money, that includes but not limited to Adsense farmers, MMO, Clickbank etc.

Those who try and make money without actually adding any real value. There's nothing wrong with Adsense so long as you're building a real site that adds real value. Those who will ultimately win the internet race are those who are building real empires. Those who wasted all their time building someone elses business empire will those left holding the bag of shit.

How does an affiliate marketer continue to complete for the same traffic as a company who buys it directly for itself, has sales fennel and can always pay twice as much as you? There are people right now as I speak making ridiculous bid on traffic just to drive you out of business. There are people who will make the traffic impossibly unprofitable and waste $100K if it sends you broke.

If you can only afford $1 PPC for your business and I know that's the standard most people can afford while remaining profitable. There's nothing stopping me coming in and bidding $4 a click, and waiting for you to clear off as your costs go up and you start losing a crap ton of money.

I know then you either lose money or you get no traffic. Sure I lose $100k but I'll make it back over time from bankrupting another competitor.

Affiliates create a natural equilibrium within the advertising space as you generally all can only afford the same prices for traffic. In the ecommerce space it doesn't work like that, it's whoever has the better sales funnel, whoever has the highest LCV wins because they'll always be able to spend more than you. It's like if amazon has to go out and started media buying tomorrow they could take most of us to the cleaners because they understand their matrix, they understand their average customer value on day 1, month 3, 6 and 12 and even 5 years from now.

They'll have software that calculates time vs dollars spent, and they'll automatically be able to model what you'll be worth as a customer going into the future. How do you plan to compete with technology like that?

I think this is the final battle and whoever makes it will make be around for a long time. Those who can't were never supposed to be here in the first place, it's all natural selection in my books.

 

[lose lose win]

What you're describing is the natural progress of the internet of there was no intervention. You're talking about natural selection (a good thing), I'm talking about corrupt oppressive censorship (a bad thing).

Of course the internet will survive, but for those who think it can't be drastically changed.. you're wrong.

 

[Jeeta]

What you're describing is the natural progress of the internet of there was no intervention. You're talking about natural selection (a good thing), I'm talking about corrupt oppressive censorship (a bad thing).

Of course the internet will survive, but for those who think it can't be drastically changed.. you're wrong.

That's what I love about the internet it's a dog eat dog world. Pure capitalism. There's no socialism, no to big to fail bullshit. No private profits and public losses. When you building companies in this type of environment nobody is safe. Consumers are empowered.

Consumers bankrupted MySpace, not Facebook. Facebook simply came along and build something better, right now consumers love it and MySpace paid the price but there was no direct bash against Myspace from Facebook. It was pure consumer choice that drove Myspace out of business.

But you do pay a small price for a pure capitalistic system, with little or not regulation is that it attracts a lot of cowboys, scammers etc. But in a social internet their job becomes increasingly more difficult.

Natural selection FTW!

 

[lose lose win]

That's what I love about the internet it's a dog eat dog world. Pure capitalism. There's no socialism, no to big to fail bullshit. No private profits and public losses. When you building companies in this type of environment nobody is safe. Consumers are empowered.

Consumers bankrupted MySpace, not Facebook. Facebook simply came along and build something better, right now consumers love it and MySpace paid the price but there was no direct bash against Myspace from Facebook. It was pure consumer choice that drove Myspace out of business.

But you do pay a small price for a pure capitalistic system, with little or not regulation is that it attracts a lot of cowboys, scammers etc. But in a social internet their job becomes increasingly more difficult.

Natural selection FTW!

You're missing the whole point.

 

[crackp0t]

I'm mainly talking about those who have been using the internet as a source of making cheap easy money, that includes but not limited to Adsense farmers, MMO, Clickbank etc.

Those who try and make money without actually adding any real value. There's nothing wrong with Adsense so long as you're building a real site that adds real value. Those who will ultimately win the internet race are those who are building real empires. Those who wasted all their time building someone elses business empire will those left holding the bag of shit.

How does an affiliate marketer continue to complete for the same traffic as a company who buys it directly for itself, has sales fennel and can always pay twice as much as you? There are people right now as I speak making ridiculous bid on traffic just to drive you out of business. There are people who will make the traffic impossibly unprofitable and waste $100K if it sends you broke.

If you can only afford $1 PPC for your business and I know that's the standard most people can afford while remaining profitable. There's nothing stopping me coming in and bidding $4 a click, and waiting for you to clear off as your costs go up and you start losing a crap ton of money.

I know then you either lose money or you get no traffic. Sure I lose $100k but I'll make it back over time from bankrupting another competitor.

Affiliates create a natural equilibrium within the advertising space as you generally all can only afford the same prices for traffic. In the ecommerce space it doesn't work like that, it's whoever has the better sales funnel, whoever has the highest LCV wins because they'll always be able to spend more than you. It's like if amazon has to go out and started media buying tomorrow they could take most of us to the cleaners because they understand their matrix, they understand their average customer value on day 1, month 3, 6 and 12 and even 5 years from now.

They'll have software that calculates time vs dollars spent, and they'll automatically be able to model what you'll be worth as a customer going into the future. How do you plan to compete with technology like that?

I think this is the final battle and whoever makes it will make be around for a long time. Those who can't were never supposed to be here in the first place, it's all natural selection in my books.

You act like PPC is the only way to generate traffic. You can bid $1k on what ever keyword you want and it will have 0 effect on my business. Google can disappear and it'll have 0 effect on my business. If both of those things happened I'd probably make more money.

Not only that what you're describing happens in the offline world all the time. Look at how Walmart moves into an area and smashes the local businesses, because they can't compete on price and it doesn't effect Walmart to take a huge hit until they're gone.

 

[Jeeta]

You're missing the whole point.

I can't wait for you to enlighten us all.

 

[lukep]

How does an affiliate marketer continue to complete for the same traffic as a company who buys it directly for itself, has sales fennel and can always pay twice as much as you?

Bwahahahaha!!!!!

So, you've never, like, heard of SEO?

 

[Jeeta]

Bwahahahaha!!!!!

So, you've never, like, heard of SEO?

SEO is just a by product of creating a well constructed relevant website. Well, there are those who malipulate the system, but they're slowly being weeded out on a day by day process. I think the web is starting to move into the final stages of maturity, and all the parasites all those who just leach off the current system are being told to pack their shit.

Once Google finally creates what it considers to be it's Panda utopia, most people will find it almost impossible for you to rank a new website. Google doesn't want to give you jack shit, if you're a real business you should be paying for traffic in Google's eyes.

Good luck.

 

[lose lose win]

I can't wait for you to enlighten us all.

I'm only saying that this:

That's what I love about the internet it's a dog eat dog world. Pure capitalism. There's no socialism, no to big to fail bullshit. No private profits and public losses. When you building companies in this type of environment nobody is safe. Consumers are empowered.

Is about to change, and you're telling me that's what's currently great about the net... Yes, I know that. We all know that.

That's the point.. It will suck if it becomes oppressed and regulated by big gov.

 

[infoslob]

Like the banking system, greed will push the internet industry to the brink of collapse.

The IM world is full of people like this.

Millionaire High School Scam Artist - YouTube

If the IM world is full of Cole Bartiromos then few of us have anything to worry about.

Do you know anything about that guy? Maybe he still thinks it's as easy as selling $1 candy bars to neighbors for $2. I know of him because he's been reduced to trying to scam offshore sportsbooks via chargeback schemes. And we're talking $3k, $5k, not the million dollar a month crap he pulled as a teenager.

 

[Scalped]

Making record profits? Have you ever heard of a balance sheet, I suggest you start downloading some of some of your favorite banks. You sound like one of those bankers who say we can some how make profits out of losses.

Yes and No.

Banks are making record profits, but what is usually 'shown' in media et al are the losses generated by other banks. All is going on is a transfer of gains/losses between institutions, meanwhile the retail investor pays for most if not all of loses via many different ways.

It isnt as simple as saying all banks are losing because not all are (and i aint no banker).

Institutions, hedge funds, they come and go, boom and bust, just as banks do.

Theres more to it than meets the eye...and this is for a reason.

 

[lukep]

SEO is just a by product of creating a well constructed relevant website... Once Google finally creates what it considers to be it's Panda utopia, most people will find it almost impossible for you to rank a new website.

So it sounds like we agree that Google wants to give the best & most relevant results for each search.

Where we disagree is that you seem to believe that a new site could never be that site.

I only make sites to be that site, which is easy when you go after the long tail. This is all SEO, and it works.

Good luck.